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Contents 1 Sketch 2 Clare College Crest 3 Lupins - Edible? 4 Lupins as an Introduced Pest 5 Taxonomic classification of Lupinus 6 Lupinus as nectar source

[edit] Sketch

I think that someone should add the Monty Python sketch link to this, Dennis Moore i think it's called. its all about Lupins

"...but we have plenty of lupins! why don't you bring us something useful, like food, or clothing?" --Morbid-o 20:01, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clare College Crest

Hi there. Beautiful Clare College Crest. Is a vector copy available? I'd really appreciate a copy for the front of my thesis! Thanks. Tom Ford - taf26 at cam.ac.uk

[edit] Lupins - Edible?

I have just purchased a tin of lupins from a deli shop in South Africa. The shop is quite upmarket and I don't think the quality should be a problem. I remember us eating Lupins in the old Lourenco Marques (now Maputo) in Mozambique in the early seventees. It used to be served with all meals as hors' de hourves (forgive the spelling). I tasted it and it still tasted a bit bitter. I read that the bitterness may be a sign of toxicity. Could anybody provide some more info??

Thanks, Zirk Jansen

zirk.jansen@gmail.com

I'm not quite sure, but if I remember correctly, some, even most are, but not all are (tons of species of lupines)... In Short - dont eat unless you have someone verify its edible —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.182.121.50 (talk) 05:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Lupins as an Introduced Pest

The section on lupins in New Zealand hardly presents a neutral viewpoint when it uses the terms "pest," "unfortunate" and "ignorance" without factual support. There is no indication that the plant has properties, such as invasiveness, that render it a pest. Even the New Zealand Department of Conservation regards only the Russell lupin (Lupinus polyphyllus) as a problem plant, and then only in unstable braided riverbed areas. The fact that some individuals and firms distribute lupin seeds is not necessarily either "unfortunate" or "ignorant." It merely reflects a different policy view than that of the New Zealand government. The proposition that a plant has "escaped to the wild" is ludicrous - that's where plants come from. If the author wants to say that lupins were introduced into New Zealand without adequate consideration of the effects on the environment (which is probably true of most if not all cultivated plants in that island country), or that lupins have become invasive plants in the conditions prevalent in the New Zealand environment, he/she should say so and support it with references.

[edit] Taxonomic classification of Lupinus

Current phylogenetic work does not support Kurlovich's subgeneric classification: New World lupines, including the ones listed in the description, are multiply derived from Old World lupines, making Platycarpos a polyphyletic group and Lupinus paraphyletic. In addition, the description given at the web site for subgenus Platycarpos does not even begin to do justice to the variation in the New World lupines.

See Ainouche et al in American Journal of Botany 86(4): 590 –607. 1999.

I have no idea where the tribe name "Luppineae" came from as well. Lupinus has been included in the Genisteae since at least Advances in Legume Systematics 1981. There is a citation in Bisby's treatment of the Genisteae for the name "Lupineae," though, but that hasn't been used in the recent literature at all. I'm including subtribe Lupininae, as recent papers seem to confirm this as a monophyletic group.

--Clickie 09:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lupinus as nectar source

I am finding these citations baffling, as in my experience and understanding, Lupinus flowers do not produce nectar (Harding 1972.

--Clickie 03:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)