Talk:Ludwig van Beethoven's religious beliefs

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Contents 1 "Applaud my friends, the comedy is over" 2 Cites, please. 3 Born with religion? 4 Giant quotation? 5 Ugh

[edit] "Applaud my friends, the comedy is over"

I've heard this phrase used not as a reference to the priest but as a reference to how he suffered during his life. He made the ironic comment since he was in his last days and saw his life coming to an end. Can anyone check this? Daleliop1 17:46, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cites, please.

This article makes many specific assertions which should have specific cites.
Please see Wikipedia:Citing sources, especially the section on "Why sources should be cited", and Wikipedia:Attribution. -- Writtenonsand 21:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Born with religion?

The article says "Beethoven was born and raised a Roman Catholic", which it is quite impossible from a point of view of semantics. What is probably meant is that he was born to and raised by a Roman Catholic family. Being religious is not determined by the genes or inherited in a similar way. It is a state of mind only applicable to someone who can wrap his or her mind around an idea like religion.

Um. The phrase doesn't mean passed genetically. It's a common phrase to say that one was baptized at an early age and brought up in a religious tradition, where it's most likely one didn't pipe up in one's cutest five year old voice and ask to have a bit of the Upanishads to contrast with all this stuffy catholicism. Seriously? We're going to debate whether or not it's possible to be "born and raised" something? This is everything that's right with wikipedia.--75.72.20.191 (talk) 05:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Giant quotation?

Um, what's up with the long paragraph that's all in quotes? It does not in any way indicate to WHOM the quote is attributed or why we should care. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.201.182 (talk) 08:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ugh

What an awful page. A bunch of competing ideologies arguing over who gets to list a famous person on their favorite wikilist of famous people who agree with them. Again. Ugh. What an awful page. With all the unsourced quotations, couldn't we delete this, or at least fold in the barely two sentences of useful material here into Beethoven's page itself? Or should we keep it open, like an artifact, so in future people can study the pettiness of religious arguments played out where everyone can edit them?--75.72.20.191 (talk) 05:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)