Talk:Lucianne Goldberg

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[edit] Removal of unsubstantiated attacks

I have removed several unsubstantiated and defamatory allegations from this article. Please do not replace them unless we have reliable sources.

Capitalistroadster 17:42, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe Goldberg's comments about Chelsea Clinton appear in David Brock's book Blinded By the Right, but they shouldn't be readded until they are checked. Gamaliel 00:34, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Even if it is in Brock's book, we should be very careful in placing them back because they are hearsay. I would be reluctant to include Brock as a reliable source. Capitalistroadster 00:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
  • In my view, we need to be very careful about what we put in to make sure it is relevant to portraying a subjects life. Capitalistroadster 00:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Absolutely. However, I'd like to see the original source before we decide whether or not to include it. Gamaliel 01:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

The allegations regarding Goldberg and LBJ apparently appear in Jeffrey Toobin's book A Vast Conspiracy. Goldberg threatened a libel suit, but I do not know if anything came of that threat. Gamaliel 01:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

My concerns are that both allegations are weak. The Clinton allegations are potentially defamatory and we would need much stronger sources than Brock to warrant publishing them. The matters about LBJ aren't mentioned in any of the standard biographies about him so the ultimate source is Kitty Kelley. Capitalistroadster 02:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
At this point, since we (or at least I haven't) seen the original sources, I think it is premature to decide how substantial a particular account is or whether or not to include it. Without referring to anything in particular, I don't see any problem with recounting things that have been published in prominent books or major newspapers as long as they are properly sourced and as long as we do not present allegations as facts. Gamaliel 02:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
My concerns are in line with Wikipedia:Biographies on living persons deserve a special sensitivity. Capitalistroadster 03:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Starr report

This section should contain facts from verifiable sources. Capitalistroadster 01:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is Lucianne.com a blog?

We've had three recent versions of the start of the "Commentator" section:

  1. Following the impeachment scandal, Goldberg has launched a conservative discussion website called lucianne.com. Lucianne.com is a news site. Users post news articles, columns and comment from on-line newspapers, magazines or news sites. Though the website does not allow ...
  2. Following the impeachment scandal, Goldberg has launched a conservative blog called lucianne.com. Though the blog does not allow
  3. During the impeachment scandal, Goldberg launched a conservative political website called lucianne.com, which is now a popular internet forum. As at Free Republic, users start comment threads with links to items at on-line newspapers, magazines or news sites, followed by discussion by users. Though the website does not allow ...

(We're currently back to #2.)

As User:Asbl pointed out (in an edit summary), Lucianne.com is similar to Daily Kos in some ways. From Daily_Kos#Features (emphasis added):

Daily Kos is not a standard blog, but an interactive site powered by the collaborative media application Scoop, which allows all registered members to maintain blogs within the site. Moulitsas and a small group of selected users post entries directly to the front page; other users can post "diaries," whose titles appear on the front page in reverse chronological order. These are identical in format to the main posts, and can advance to "recommended diary" status by user vote, or can be promoted to the front page by the primary contributors. The recommended diaries appear above the main diary listing.

The main difference between the sites is that Kos and the other diarists write a post, then other people comment on it. At Lucianne.com and Free Republic, threads begin with a link to another website, not a piece of original writing. So, as someone who is picky about terminology, I would say thay (1) Kos is a blogger, but (2) Daily Kos is not a blog but rather a "single-website community" of blogs. Another way to look at it is that there is (AFAIK) no place on Lucianne.com where you read Lucianne's comments on events, issues, etc. That seems to me to be one of the defining characteristics of a blog.

We probably should mention Free Republic in this section, because Lucianne used to be active there (in fact, I'd guess that Lucianne.com was closely modelled on www.freerepublic.com) and the sites operate in similar ways (and have not-widly-dissimilar politics). See this 1999 Salon article for details.

By the way, Lucianne.com started in late 1998 or early 1999, which was "following", not "during", the impeachment scandal, so I was wrong about that. However the proximate cause was a ruction at freerepublic, not the scandal itself, so "following" is somewhat misleading.

Cheers, CWC(talk) 16:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

On this page, wikipedia says Lucianne was born in Boston. On Jonah Goldbergs page, wikipedia says she was born in Virginia. Both can't be true.

Comment about the above statement: Mrs. Goldberg may have been born in Boston, but she lived as a child from a very young age in the Northern Virginia suburbs of DC, as I have read, writing in later years for various small grass roots publications in Virgina, prior to being hired at the Washington Post, where she held minor jobs, but was, in fact, noticed by many notable writers. Again, she did live a great part of her childhood life Virginia.

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