Talk:Luby's massacre

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Contents 1 Comment 2 Al Gratia? 3 Suzanna Gratia Hupp's firearm not mentioned. Why not? 4 Bill Sponsor Clarification

[edit] Comment

Your POV is showing: "eventually lead to the largely uneffective 1994 "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act" commonly called the AWB (Assault Weapons Ban)." The correct word should be 'ineffective', but in any event, such a determination is beyond the scope of this article, right?Cpeterkelly 01:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Al Gratia?

Why isn't he on the victim list.

Someone added him after you asked on 20 April. Please sign and date your posts using four tildes (~~~~). --CliffC 20:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suzanna Gratia Hupp's firearm not mentioned. Why not?

Suzanna Hupp had a firearm at Luby's the day of the massacre, but she left it in her vehicle due to it being against the law for her to carry it inside ( see: http://www.wmsa.net/gratia-hupp_1992.htm ). This was likely a critical piece of testimony used to change the firearm laws in question, and thus should be mentioned. If no one disagrees, I'll add the reference. If someone disagrees, explain why. WeedWhacker 11:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree completely and am surprised if it's not mentioned. --Golbez 11:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Added, cited. WeedWhacker 09:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but the whole idea that an intelligent response to a gun rampage is to make it easier for everyone to get more guns just leaves me totally incredulous. :-(

Also, why doesn't the article say anything about what the perpetrator's problem was, and why it had been possible for him to have guns? Or are those questions considered irrelevant in the rush to arm everyone to the teeth? --RenniePet (talk) 23:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Although talk pages are intended for the discussion of articles and not their subjects, I'll try to answer your questions about Hennard. His problem was that he was what we in the USA call "crazy", and even if he was screaming, foaming-at-the-mouth crazy, such people can't be institutionalized in today's society because it would interfere with their rights. I do not know, and don't care to research, how Hennard got his guns -- crazy people and criminals will always have guns, or get guns. They steal them or buy them from someone else who has stolen them. For this reason some law-abiding, non-crazy citizens carry concealed weapons to protect themselves and their families, and maybe even complete strangers in a cafeteria, against the one in ten thousand chance they will cross paths with a Hennard or a carjacker. I won't debate the subject of right-to-carry or its statistics, but many people in the USA believe in the right to defend themselves, and won't be victims. --CliffC (talk) 01:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the non-flaming answer. I obviously disagree regarding the best way to minimize gun violence and maximize wellbeing in a society, but like you say, this isn't the place for that debate. --RenniePet (talk) 11:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Sponsor Clarification

This article lists Rep. Hupp as the sponsor of the gun law passed in 1995, but according to Hupp's wikipedia article, she wasn't elected to the legislature until 1996. 69.255.82.121 (talk) 19:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)