Talk:Lubusz Voivodeship
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[edit] Official name?
Since when has "Voivodship lubuskie" been the "official name" in English? It doesn't seem likely to me. Can we have some sources, please. ProhibitOnions 01:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Why Lubusz, not Lubuskie?
It always seemed to me, as a long-term resident of Lubuskie, that the English version 'Lubusz' was extremely contrived. Since it is written according to Polish spelling, it is no easier for an English reader to understand (giving a sound something like 'Luhbuhssss' if read as an English word) but at the same time is impossible to find on any map (even an English one). Even traditional English names for Polish places have now mostly been abandoned (cf. Dantsick, Stettin) leaving only Warsaw and Crakow as common currency. Why can't we follow suit here?
Historically Lubuskie was Polish only until around 1250, that is to say (as an English equivalent) during the reign of Henry III of England. Even if an English name had existed before that time (which I have seen no evidence for), it has by now lost all relevance to ordinary readers (in a way that the name 'Warsaw', for example, never has). Using Lubusz Voivodeship as a term therefore is as far I'm concerned either at best an archaism, or at worst an artifical coinage.
Changing the English title of the article to 'Lubuskie' would have the advantage of bringing the article in line with the maps on the subject, avoid confusion when using the term while speaking with anyone who actually lives there, and also wipe out the illogicality that when seaching for the noun-used-as-adjective 'Lubusz' we end up in the article about the German village, whereas searching for the adjective 'Lubuskie' (supposedly only a secondary name after Lubusz) we get taken directly to the right article.
I didn't want to sound aggressive on this, and if there's a solid reason why we should use 'Lubusz' then I'll happily withdraw my challenge, but I've spent a lot of time studying Lubuskie and I've never seen a satisfactory reason for the name 'Lubusz'. Neither the Polish nor the German articles even acknowledge such a name, so why should we make life more complicated by including it?
Feel free to argue with me, and I'll take it all back with good grace if there's a good reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertbeaman (talk • contribs) 17:06, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- I tend to agree with your viewpoint; but this was all discussed and decided a long time ago - see the link given above your comment. Almost all the other voivodeships have "anglicised" names too, and some of them also look weird, but I guess we're stuck with them unless someone feels like undertaking a huge renaming drive.--Kotniski (talk) 17:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] History
It is a little bit strange and often I have seen that the Polish know less about their ownn history. " German Expansion " Ore Drang nach Osten . That are Expressions of the 19 th century. Their was no german Expansion in the middle age. Fact is that the most of the areas claimed later by the Polish where loose and short time part of Ppland. The only claim was often that they where Slawic but not even Polish. The reason they became German was either that the Germans where more sucsessful in the fight against the pagans witch was done ba both POlish and german ore that a polish Count changed sides and looked for cover in the German Empire against some Polish Rival. So no Drang nach Osten main reason in all losses of Polish terretory where often fights between polish nobility. Please dear Polish it would be nice if you could read your own history.Johann7
- Rubbish. The German colonization of Lubusz/Lebus started in about XII century, when there was virtually no pagans left. It was completly Germanized by about XIV/XV century. Barry Kent (talk) 12:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
