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[edit] Two-sided discs
I'm taking this sentence out: "Incidentally, having both an A-side and a B-side (unlike the first 78s) also gave users the option to continue playing the other side of the album."
This awkwardly worded sentence means that LPs have music on both sides, but that was not a novelty; it had been standard for several decades by the time LPs were introduced. Juryen (talk) 10:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Article Tense
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Vinyl records are still pressed, sold and fairly easily available on the open market. Why then, is this article written in the past tense? The tone makes it sound as if the technology has totally dissapeared. Stephanie Weil (talk) 16:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, perhaps due to the market? There's probably a half-million CDs sold to every LP these days. Is it truthful that the LP is market is in the past? Well, no, but on a practical level, that is pretty hard to refute. Overall, I thought the content of this article was outstanding. Sipfan (talk) 11:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] History
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This article could use some historical background. According to NPR, the inventor was Peter Goldmark, and he was recently inducted into the (U.S.) National Inventor's Hall of Fame. -- Beland 22:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Name?
What exactly does the LP stand for in an LP record? -- Kevin (TALK) 18:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I think it stands for long play... but that is a total guess! :P FSHero 14:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cryptic humour is inappropriate
I read in the article: An analogue DJ may have been liable to resort to any available crate of the correct aspect, plastic milk crates perhaps being popular [2] when they had become available, as they could perhaps have been easily obtained on an unauthorised 'loan' for only the cost of a little guilt, and the owners were unlikely to monitor the individual locations of their many, low-cost crates.
I realise that by 'loan', 'stealing' is meant. But I think that this sentence needs to be rephrased, since others may not realise this. People who don't encounter English very often may not understand this!
If I have time soon, I'll try to reword this. (I wonder if there's any way to set a reminder...) FSHero 14:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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- As someone that owns quite a few LPs, I'd also like to add that they DON'T FIT in standard milk crates.JamesBenjamin 02:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
LP album → LP — The overwhelmingly obvious usage of the term "LP" is "long player", i.e. the subject matter of this very awkwardly named article. In such cases the proper disambiguation scheme is for the most obvious usage to be at LP, and the disambiguation page to be at LP (disambiguation). kingboyk 12:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Survey
- Add # '''Support''' or # '''Oppose''' on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this is not a vote; comments must include reasons to carry weight.
- Oppose As CDs have largely replaced records, "LP" no longer 'overwhelmingly' refers to long-playing records in many people's minds. In addition, the letters LP are short for the adjectival "long-playing" record--LP is not the noun here, formally speaking. I think the problem is that the current LP page (not to mention the similar but not identical L.P. page) is littered with too many things that belong in a dictionary rather than here--many of them don't even mention "also known as LP" in their articles.WikiGnome 12:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- So we cater to teenagers only do we? Please tell me what usage of the term "LP" comes anywhere, anywhere close to long player album? --kingboyk 12:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Not catering to teenagers, just to the world as it currently is and current word usage. We also don't write articles in Old or Middle English, to give a more extreme example. I'm not implying that no one uses records any more--just that many people no longer think "record album" when they hear "LP." And because there are many other terms that use that abbreviation, it makes sense to me to leave it as a disambiguation page. WikiGnome 16:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- So we cater to teenagers only do we? Please tell me what usage of the term "LP" comes anywhere, anywhere close to long player album? --kingboyk 12:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose This has been suggested and rejected before, if I understand your suggestion correctly. The thing is that LP is more or less equally used in the meaning of release format and medium format (according to the work I did on disambiguating links once), so having the disambiguation page at LP is the correct thing to do. It seems to work fine as it is now. --Pekaje 13:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Release format and medium format? Do we need such a distinction? I'm not sure I even totally understand the distinction, alas :)/:( --kingboyk 13:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- OK, let me clarify. By release format, I mean what kind of compilation it is. For instance, there is Album, Single, and EP (a few singles, but short of an album). By medium format I mean the physical medium, i.e. CD, Gramophone record, Compact Cassette, DVD, etc. Now, having seen a fair share of articles during disambiguating LP, I can say that neither Album, nor Gramophone record get the majority of links. The naming convention for disambiguation pages states that when there is no primary topic, the disambiguation page should be at the plain title, i.e. the one without (disambiguation). Oh, and the very fact that this discussion has been raised several times would seem to indicate that there is no primary topic ... :-) --Pekaje 15:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. I think this article probably ought to be improved. I see the problem is with the messy articles not with any confusion over the meaning of LP. Are we agreed that LP - whatever it means exactly is something to do with music, to most people? :) If we are, then can't we construct an article which says an LP is an album, most usually a gramophone record. Alternatively, do we need the article LP album article at all, when album and gramophone record exist? --kingboyk 15:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes to the fact that LP means something with music. No to LP usually meaning gramophone record (evidence just doesn't bear this out). It seems that LP has slipped into general usage for meaning Album (not just on Wikipedia), yet when referencing a medium format it also means something else. I agree that it's not perfect as it is now, but what you're suggesting goes against the naming convention referenced earlier. I also fail to see the point in the move. --Pekaje 15:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- The point to the move request is simply that 90%+ of people coming here (I estimate) are looking for the same thing: the meaning of the term in relation to music. This dab page isn't helping, nor is the existence of articles on roughly the same thing. I understand now what you're saying vis-a-vis LP as album vs LP as long playing vinyl record, but don't think they're sufficiently different to be sending readers on this wild goose chase. I'm certainly not proposing the deletion or hiding of the dab page; I just feel that users should end up at a suitable article first then can click through to the dab page if that article doesn't help. Currently they end up at a dab page, which should always be the second choice solution. I believe we can do something about that here. Perhaps redirecting LP to album. Perhaps merging LP album into album. I don't know, but I'm sure we could come up with something :) Thanks, again, for the dialogue. --kingboyk 15:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- But my point is that LP is the suitable name for the disambiguation page, since we have no way of knowing which one of the more or less equally popular usages brought them there. However, I think that LP needs some serious de-crufting to be useful again. --Pekaje 15:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- I understand your point but I disagree; we'll have to agree to disagree on that one :) Very much agree with you on the decrufting. Cheers. --kingboyk 15:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- But my point is that LP is the suitable name for the disambiguation page, since we have no way of knowing which one of the more or less equally popular usages brought them there. However, I think that LP needs some serious de-crufting to be useful again. --Pekaje 15:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- The point to the move request is simply that 90%+ of people coming here (I estimate) are looking for the same thing: the meaning of the term in relation to music. This dab page isn't helping, nor is the existence of articles on roughly the same thing. I understand now what you're saying vis-a-vis LP as album vs LP as long playing vinyl record, but don't think they're sufficiently different to be sending readers on this wild goose chase. I'm certainly not proposing the deletion or hiding of the dab page; I just feel that users should end up at a suitable article first then can click through to the dab page if that article doesn't help. Currently they end up at a dab page, which should always be the second choice solution. I believe we can do something about that here. Perhaps redirecting LP to album. Perhaps merging LP album into album. I don't know, but I'm sure we could come up with something :) Thanks, again, for the dialogue. --kingboyk 15:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes to the fact that LP means something with music. No to LP usually meaning gramophone record (evidence just doesn't bear this out). It seems that LP has slipped into general usage for meaning Album (not just on Wikipedia), yet when referencing a medium format it also means something else. I agree that it's not perfect as it is now, but what you're suggesting goes against the naming convention referenced earlier. I also fail to see the point in the move. --Pekaje 15:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. I think this article probably ought to be improved. I see the problem is with the messy articles not with any confusion over the meaning of LP. Are we agreed that LP - whatever it means exactly is something to do with music, to most people? :) If we are, then can't we construct an article which says an LP is an album, most usually a gramophone record. Alternatively, do we need the article LP album article at all, when album and gramophone record exist? --kingboyk 15:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- OK, let me clarify. By release format, I mean what kind of compilation it is. For instance, there is Album, Single, and EP (a few singles, but short of an album). By medium format I mean the physical medium, i.e. CD, Gramophone record, Compact Cassette, DVD, etc. Now, having seen a fair share of articles during disambiguating LP, I can say that neither Album, nor Gramophone record get the majority of links. The naming convention for disambiguation pages states that when there is no primary topic, the disambiguation page should be at the plain title, i.e. the one without (disambiguation). Oh, and the very fact that this discussion has been raised several times would seem to indicate that there is no primary topic ... :-) --Pekaje 15:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Release format and medium format? Do we need such a distinction? I'm not sure I even totally understand the distinction, alas :)/:( --kingboyk 13:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose. These days, I'd venture that LP more commonly refers to Liquid Propane than to albums. older ≠ wiser 01:08, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose. While that may be my primary meaning, I'm pretty sure that is not the primary meaning for the community at large. Vegaswikian 19:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- Rename to LP (album), LP (music) or LP (record), or something to that effect. "LP album" isn't a natural or common usage, it's in effect a kluged title to resolve the ambiguity, without making explicit that it is a disambiguation. Alai 02:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 12:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
