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Contents 1 New Article on South Durras, NSW 2 Sth Durras 3 Durras 4 Durras 5 Paddy Palins 6 Reply 7 How to Translate an Article 8 More Questions about loading Pictures

[edit] New Article on South Durras, NSW

I have started this article and I am not too sure what to put and I thought you could give me a hand. I know you specialise in Sydney articles, I would appriciate any help you could give me. --Loy Wong (talk) 00:09, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

G'Day Loy

My suggestion is that you should pick an article on one of the towns nearby. Go into edit mode on the page and copy all the info. Add that info into your article and make the relevant changes that apply to that town. That would be a good start.

You can then add more details as you do more research. The Local Council websites can provide some useful info but make sure it's not a direct copy and quote it as a reference.

By the way, I moved your article to South Durras, New South Wales so that it conforms to the standard naming convention for towns. If you have any more questions, let me know. J Bar (talk) 01:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I have added some info to that article, and I wondered if you had any more ideas about what I could add. P.S.- Thanks a million for your inspiration, it was a big help!

--Loy Wong (talk) 03:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

We have a list of standard headings that we use on the Sydney suburb articles. These might be a guide for the sort of information we include. A section on History is usually followed by Commercial Area, Transport, Schools, Churches, Population etc. Some of the best articles are Summer Hill, New South Wales, Parramatta, New South Wales, Kogarah, New South Wales and the town of Winmalee, New South Wales. These articles might give you some more good ideas. J Bar (talk) 05:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I might be travelling there in the upcoming weeks and I would like to take some pictures to add to the article, do you have any ideas on what I should take, and are there any rules on what the pictures are of?

Also, i've seen you now look after articles on the NSW South Coast! --Loy Wong (talk) 06:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The important landmarks are usually the best things to photograph. Historic buildings such as the Town Hall, Post office, Court house, Churches or Schools are a good start. Otherwise, a picture of the main street or the town centre can also be worth adding to an article. That's what we try to do with the Sydney suburb articles, see Arncliffe, New South Wales, Randwick, New South Wales, Ashfield, New South Wales. It's also a good idea to post your photos in Wikimedia Commons. You need to go here and sign up (as "Loy Wong") and then you click on "Upload file" on the left and upload your files as per normal. You can use categories like [[Category:Sydney]] for Sydney-related photos and [[Category:Train stations in Sydney]] for railway station pics. This will save those users who want to use them on other projects a lot of time having to download your photos and then reupload them in other projects. J Bar (talk) 00:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sth Durras

Hi. I saw your messages to JBar about the Sth Durras article. I work on the suburbs articles too and I'd like to make a suggestion. What these articles are sometimes lacking in is references. All articles are supposed to have references to back up the info, but it's often lacking in these articles. So, if you want positive suggestions, make sure you have refs to back up your info, and put it in the article, with footnotes. Footnotes are important. It's not as good if you just have a list of books at the end of the article. We're supposed to provide "in-line citations", which means footnotes. Hope this helps.

Sardaka (talk) 11:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Me again. On the Sth Durras article, I was wondering what happened to durras. is it a separate town from Sth Durras or what? Some of my atlases don't even show a Sth Durras, just Durras. Was wondering what the saituation is, and whether it's worth including Durras in the article Sardaka (talk) 07:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Durras

Was thinking it should be worth saying something about Durras, if only to avoid confusion, just spelling the situation out a bit more clearly. If I can get them confused, other people might too.

Sardaka (talk) 09:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Durras

Hi again. I went to Paddy Palins today and checked the topographic map, which is an official, authoritative guide to the area. There's one called specifically "Durras".

With the developed areas, the one at the south end is called Durras. The next one up, 1 kilometre nth, is Durras Lake. The next one nth again is called Durras North.

Durras (the southernmost one) has Murramarang National Park immediately south of it, and Benandarah State Forest immediately to the west.

Durras North has Murramarang NP immediately north of it.

The map in question is "Durras Topographic Map 8926-1S." You can get them at Paddy Palins if you're interested. It would be worth your while.

Sardaka (talk) 09:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paddy Palins

Paddy Palins is an outdoor shop in the city, where you can get topographic maps etc, but apparently you already have it. Haven't been to Durras myself, but the map shows 3 residential areas: one down south, one in the middle and one a little north of the lake. Separated by a kilometre or so in each case, and a stretch of beach. Sardaka (talk) 08:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Just a technicality - the Geographical Names Register of the Geographical Names Board of New South Wales is the only really official source on NSW place names. Secondary to that are the Department of Lands Maps (what used to be known as Central Mapping Authority maps)... these are probably the maps that places like Paddy Palins would sell.

You can access a lot of the information online as well. According to these sources, Duras and South Durras are basically the same. The Geographic Names Board uses an Australian map datum, but if you convert it to WGS84 you can look it up in Google Maps.

The GNB puts Durras at -35.665096, 150.301188 and South Durras at -35.662318,150.2923. Both co-ordinates refer to the same village, the one known as South Durras (in fact, the co-ordinates for Durras and technically south of those for South Durras).

Basically in the real world, you have South Durras, then slightly north on the sand spit there's Durras Lake (the lake and the locality, which I think is just a caravan park and is included as part of South Duras as far as the ABS data is concerned) and finally on the northern side of the lake there's Durras North.

You're right Sardaka, the Lands map does show South Durras as simply "Durras" but on road signs, National Parks materials, commercial websites and the NRMA maps, you'll find "South Durras" used. Ultimately we're talking about a combined residential population of less than 600 people here. -- Rob.au (talk) 14:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Nope. If threats were made to a user that were likely to have physical import, the user would be blocked per WP:HARASS and the Wikimedia Foundation notified, they may choose to notify the police and this has been done before. In certain cases outside bodies may be notified if there's a lengthy pattern of abuse or harassment - for instance with IP vandals the Foundation might want to contact their ISP for terms of use violation. But for common-or-garden vandalism, no - that gets reported to WP:AIV or WP:3RR depending on what exactly is happening, and the user is warned, then blocked from editing if they do not stop. Orderinchaos 03:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] How to Translate an Article

I would like to translate the South Durras article into Cantonese. Do you know how you do that? Cheers, --Loy Wong (talk) 02:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. No idea. J Bar (talk) 03:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi!,

I am just calling to clear some things up. When I asked you how to translate the article into Canto. I ment I would do the actual translating, but you tell me how to start the new page for it. I wasn't sure by what you ment so I thought I would just check.

--Loy Wong (talk) 11:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

To start a new article, you can type the title in the Search box. If there is no existing article then you can start one from there. I'm not sure how to link an existing article to a translated article though. I'm sure there's some articles on wikipedia that advise how this is done. You could try looking around wikipedia and some of the projects for more information. Sorry, i can't be more helpful. J Bar (talk) 01:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Questions about loading Pictures

Hi, I was on the commons site, looking how to upload the pix of South Durras. I still don't know how to load them up and I wasen't sure about how to name the files.

--Loy Wong (talk) 06:06, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

You need to sign up as a user on wikimedia commons (create login), in the same way you have on wikipedia. Then you go to Upload file and follow the instructions. I suggest you give them a descriptive name that makes it easy to find if people do a search. For example, South Durras Public School or South Durras Park or South Durras Anglican Church etc... J Bar (talk) 03:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I've loaded one picture of the Fire Brigade, but now I can't get it to link to the article. Do you know how I do the link?

here is the picture-[1]--Loy Wong (talk) 10:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I've loaded it for you, so you can go into edit mode and see how that's done. Basically you use square brackets [[ ]] and specify the photo's title <<Image:20080323 01.JPG>> the location on the page <<|right>> the thumbnail for the caption <<|thumb>> and the caption <<|Rural Fire Service, South Durras>>. You can also include a photo in the infobox, next to image= and a caption next to caption=. Cheers. J Bar (talk) 01:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I noticed your meesages at JBar's page. Are you getting anywhere?

I noticed that the pic of the fire brigade doesn't yet have a licensing tag. To fix that, go into editing mode and where, at the bottom, it has a message in brackets -- Template:Blah blah blah -- delete the message inside the brackets and replace it with:

I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby grant the permission to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts.

. This means it's your own work and you're licensing others to use it. (Look in the edit mode of this talk page to see how it's done.)

To insert the pic in the article, do it something like this:

This will put the shot on the right-hand side of the page. Insert it wherever you like. But I suggest you give it a descriptive file name. Especially at Commons, where non-descriptive names are not allowed. Good luck.

Sardaka (talk) 09:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)