Talk:Low-end fortified wine

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This article was nominated for deletion on 22 October 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 NPOV 2 Deletion 3 Attribution note 4 Fair use rationale for Image:NightTrainExpressBottle.jpg 5 Ripple???

[edit] NPOV

This part of the article: In contrast to table wine, which may be enjoyed as an accompaniment to a meal, or high-end fortified wine, enjoyed as an aperitif or digestif, low-end fortified wines are generally considered suitable only for intoxication. Note that its classification as "wine" is a very loosely used term, and many people refer to it as "hooch", "street wine", "fortified wine", "bum wine", or "twist-cap wine".

is very POV. I see no citations that these cheap wines are only considered suitable for intoxication. I am sipping some MD 20/20 13% alc. red wine, and it isn't *good*, but it isn't the worst wine I have tasted. It is wine though, of a sort. I will remove that paragraph if no one objects and can prove that it is only considered suitable for getting drunk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.5.152.115 (talk) 22:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, wine of "between 15 and 20%" alcohol content would have to pay added tax in the U.S.A. I would question whether this wine would be cheaper than the cheapest Canadian whiskey. Maybe even bad wine is more than an alcohol delivery system - that is, what exactly a person is addicted to may not be so simple.

[edit] Deletion

I vote to keep the article. "Bum wine" is a recognized term that contains fortified wines united by one thing: cheapness and potency. The article on fortified wine doesn't really cover it -- there's only one sentence, and it's really outside the scope of the article. Besides, can you imagine putting vermouth in the same class as Thunderbird? I agree that it's not a very good article -- I can expand it if need be. I would actually like to modify it to include other forms of alcohol popular among the homeless -- mouthwash springs to mind (along with its associated health problems). We could possibly make it an "Alcohol and the homeless" article. Graymornings 04:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

That is something of a separate topic (and surely one worth writing on), but these cheap wines are not exclusively used by the homeless (college kids seem to like them too), and this article is really about the class of beverages itself. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:08, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Attribution note

Some content in the "Popular brands" section taken from the merged articles of Thunderbird, MD 20/20, Cisco (wine), Night Train Express, Wild Irish Rose and Ripple (wine). BD2412 has done a great job improving this article and having the merged content here under the main topic article will better serve the subject matter. I did not merged Buckfest Tonic wine because that has developed into a full fledge articles. If any of the other brands could be produced into an article of similar development then it would make sense to unmerged it. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 19:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:NightTrainExpressBottle.jpg

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BetacommandBot 21:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ripple???

There is absolutely no information on this page showing that 'Ripple' ever actually existed outside of being a running joke (and a one-time prop) on the 70s sitcom 'Sanford and Son'. I don't think it actually existed. I can't find a single picture of a bottle (except for the S&S prop) anywhere. The 'bumwine' reference merely mentions the TV show. The other referenece is a dead link. I think this may be a TV joke turned Urban Legend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.127.205 (talk) 03:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

From this article as well as a few others,

http://www.ghettowine.com/ripple/ I believe Ripple did have a real existence beyond Sanford and Son. When the maker Gallo died, the wine was also mentioned in the obits. Smiloid (talk) 06:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)