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[edit] AfD nomination of Dugba

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Hey, I was actually considering AFDing the Associated Students of Michigan State University article after the Dugba article was considered. I think it fails WP:Notability, since it is essentially a local organization for MSU. Yeah, it is bicameral and all that, but I don't think that is notable enough. Also, and probably most fatally, that article is rife with original research. Most of the statements (no matter how true they are), cannot be backed up with reliable sources. No offense intended or anything, but I just think that kind of info should be on the ASMSU's website instead of wikipeida.--RedShiftPA (talk) 02:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, that sounds fair. I'll also take a look at the article next week and see what kind of changes it still needs by then. My main concern is once the Original Research is taken out, hardly anything will be left that is useful. The article really is well written, and I sure useful to people within MSU. Since you have graduated, perhaps the current leaders of the ASMSU would like appropriate the research into their own website. (In fact, this article is 10x more useful than their website, as it currently stands: [1].) I also did see the other 20-odd student government pages. I will probably nominate some of the worst of them for deletion tomorrow. --RedShiftPA (talk) 04:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger I proposed

I made a merger proposal to merge Associated Students of Michigan State University into the Michigan_State_University#Student_life section of the main article. I think once the unsourced and original research materials are removed from the ASMSU article, it will fit nicely into the Student life section. What do you think? (I accidentally labeled that edit as minor. Didn't meant to.)--RedShiftPA (talk) 23:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I looked for sources (beyond the school paper) to back some of the material up, but, like you, I found nothing. I tried to contact someone on the board of ASMSU (savcea@asmsu.msu.edu--the external relations person), but the email came back in error.
I agree that the rest of the Student Government pages should be merged into their main respective articles. I'll be working on that over the next few months. Would you mind helping me on that one? There are a bunch in this category: Category:Student governments in the United States. --RedShiftPA (talk) 02:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
By the way, can I ask if you were one of the "Four Horsemen" that began the organization? Just curious...--RedShiftPA (talk) 02:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I guess I would fall under the same nerdy category about that stuff. I was never an officer in my student association, but I tried all the time to re-write the constitution and student senator allocation formulas. You were lucky that someone kept all of the minutes and records, we had no precedent to work with, since nobody even bothered to keep that stuff longer than a year. --RedShiftPA (talk) 04:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More merge proposals

Hey, I saw you put in your 2 cents on the merge proposal of Union of Students of the University of Alaska Anchorage. If you're still interested in merging these student government articles into the main pages, here are a few more that I have proposed mergers for:


Associated Students of the University of Washington‎
Washington University Student Union
‎ Union of Students of the University of Alaska Anchorage‎
UMSL Student Government Association
Syracuse University & SUNY-ESF Student Association‎
Student Senators Council
‎ Associated Students of the University of Missouri
Missouri Students Association
‎ Georgetown University Student Association
‎ Associated Students of the University of California‎
University of California Students Association
‎ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Student Association of Missouri --RedShiftPA (talk) 02:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Student Governments

Hey, I decided to AFD a bunch of student government articles where my proposed merges were being contested. Thought you'd be interested. Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities/Deletion#16 March (AfD, CfD, TfD)--RedShiftPA (talk) 18:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MSUG

Thanks! I only stumbled across the story a couple of years ago... I think it's still a sore spot with the administration. Since the only version of the story I could find online is a reprint of the Ramparts article, I felt the 'net deserved a more even-handed version. Still, after I read it to her, my wife called it "tough love". Kevin Forsyth (talk) 14:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)