Talk:Lou Piniella

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Contents 1 Fight with Rob Dibble? 2 Vietnam? 3 Lou Pinella's background 4 Base-throwing Tirade 5 As a player, was Piniella just a designated hitter? 6 "Throwing in the towel" 7 Sweet Lou 8 Why did he retire at the begining of the season? 9 New Photo Needed 10 It is "DEVIL Rays", not "Rays" 11 how the heck

[edit] Fight with Rob Dibble?

Anyone have any information about Lou Pinella's fight with Rob Dibble in the 90's? Darwin's Bulldog 00:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vietnam?

It is certainly worth asking why a guy who was an all-American athlete in college did not serve in Vietnam. It is notable that very, very few professional athletes served in Vietnam because their backers and handlers were able to have them either slipped into the Reserves or certified medically incapable because of purported injuries. It is hardly "unconstructive" to place the career of an athlete into the historical context of the time during which he played. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.153.46 (talk) 02:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Quick answer is that Piniella was born in 1943, and was first of draft age in 1961, when the U.S. was not involved in a war. By the time the draft started heating up in 1965, he was 22, when most draftees averaged 19, and the odds of his being drafted were by that time pretty low. Your earlier comment (which was reverted in June) made the following observation: "Although this was during the height of the Vietnam War, he had no military service." He was 26 in 1969, and they were not drafting 26-year-olds as a rule.

Your comment simply cast suspicion without any backing evidence. Truth be told, there were many average American young men who were never drafted even at the height of the draft because their lottery numbers were so high. I see no reason to consider it "worth asking" about Piniella without specific cause, like evidence that he was given special dispensation.

While it might be worth examining the fact that "few professional athletes served in Vietnam" (just as few future politicians who also happened to have rich fathers did), it is not worth casting broad aspersions against specific individuals; if it were placed anywhere, it would go into the general history of baseball. -- Couillaud 04:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lou Pinella's background

It was mentioned that part of the reason Steve Lyons was fired from FOX was due to his racial remarks about Lou's hispanic. Can anyone find out what Lou's background is?

Lou's background is Cuban, and for this reason, he has to be removed from the category of spanish-americans. I have no idea who put him on there.

Sorry, guy, but Pinella is Spanish not Cuban. Here is the proof: [1][2]. Before you go changing the category, you should have proof. MrBlondNYC 06:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Base-throwing Tirade

I believe the base-throwing incident, being one of the most comical and outrageous meltdowns by an MLB manager of all time, deserves mention. The main obstacle to this, however, is that it is poorly-documented, and ESPN has gone to great lengths to remove the video from the internet. I believe this to amount to censorship and I would ask that others put their two cents in.

I concur that the base-throwing, if it can be properly documented, might be worth mentioning. However, the above anonymous post also identifies the primary difficulty: actually tracking down verifiable references. (I myself watched the game, since I'm a big Mariners fan, but that hardly counts as "reputable" or "verifiable.") Job L 05:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] As a player, was Piniella just a designated hitter?

Or did he ever play a position? I can't tell from the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.59.78.177 (talk) 12:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

This still hasn't been addressed. What position did he play? If he was a just DH that should be in the article as well. --fleela ^±alk 01:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Piniella's career stats indicate otherwise: he played the majority of his games in the outfield, with some time at first base as well. Job L 20:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Throwing in the towel"

I concur with Phizzle1969's comment, in his or her edit summary for the version dated 01:16, 24 April 2007, that we "Might want to delete the whole throw in the towel line, because it has no source to site. It's only April I don't think its an accurate statement." It frankly seems rather absurd to mention what might prove to be a fleeting dissatisfaction with Piniella in an encyclopedia article. Besides, imagine the difficulty of constantly keeping such statements up-to-date in a context as fickle and of the moment as professional sports! (Hero one day, goat the next, etc.) Other thoughts on deleting this? Job L 05:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

i say go for it...please do "FOUR TILDES" 16:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sweet Lou

shouldnt 'sweet lou' be redirected here? i dont know how or i would. "FOUR TILDES" 16:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why did he retire at the begining of the season?

Was he injured or playing terrible? seems odd to retire at the begining of a season,there must be a reason. "FOUR TILDES" 16:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Photo Needed

we need to get us a photo of him in a cubs hat.ill review the fair use p[olicy and see if i can find one. "FOUR TILDES" 17:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It is "DEVIL Rays", not "Rays"

The team playing in Tampa Bay is officially known as the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, NOT the Tampa Bay Rays. Please stop changing this, or show a source as to this change of name. -- Couillaud 15:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

And, as I research further, I see that it IS now "Rays", but that change just occured a few weeks ago. However, this does not affect Piniella's entry, as they were the Devil Rays when he managed them. Names don't change retroactively in this case. -- Couillaud 15:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] how the heck

how could steve lyons make racist remark against lou when both are of european decent???????--Wikiscribe (talk) 22:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)