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[edit] Burn Burn: a cover?

I have a friend who is absolutely convinced that burn burn is a cover of a dance band from about 10 years ago. I have searched google and lyrics sites but can find no evidence of it. Is it true? Unstoppability20:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

Hell no. Why on earth does your friend think this? U-Mos 20:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Not a clue but she's convinced Unstoppability20:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
Ian just sings it the way Seal sings "Killer" that's all, not a cover. Shrimpster —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.149.129 (talk) 00:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge members

All of the band's member pages are rather stubbish, while this article isn't really that long. If no one has any objections, I'm going to merge them all in here. - Lifefeed 15:58, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Lostprophets: Christian band?

Quick question. Not to suggest Lostprophets' music genre is a specifically Christian one (it's clearly more Alternative Rock/Emo/Metal/Etc.), but they ARE listed under Contemporary Christian Artists on this site ... along with other bands like U2 and MxPx, who don't necessarily advertise themselves as Christians, but who are, in fact, Christian. I know Lostprophets is an openly Straight Edge band and their lyrics have a lot to do with hypocrisy and conformity and being above that (for lack of better words). Something not really addressed here is ... are they Christians? Is their message Christian? It sure seems like it, but I wasn't sure.

For instance, was "Rooftops" about proclamation or self-expression? Or both? It seems like the latter to me; clearly, this song's about making a difference ... and also about a message being spread, something really personal.

"The New Transmission" was definitely about conformity-- about taking the world's lies and totally rejecting them.

"To Hell We Ride" was really convincing. It was all about half-heartedness, running without a destination, and procrastination ...

All this stuff just got me wondering. In any case, I love this band and their message, just hoping it's a higher One, you know? If anyone can give me a straighforward answer, I'd appreciate it.

Being Christian doesn't make a band a Christian band. Their message isn't Christian. Speaking on hypocrisy and conformity and rejecting lies isn't something strictly Christian, neither is being lost (running without a destination). Imasleepviking 19:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

It depends on how you look at it. For instance, Flyleaf was asked if they were a Christian band in an interview, and the answer they gave was something to the effect of, "Yeah. I mean, we are all Christians, and I think whatever you believe comes out in your music." Most of their music is secular, though. The themes are really general--usually about taking a bad situation and perservering. Sound Christian? Definitely. Sound secular? Yeah. Could be the same deal here. Anyway, so I'm guessing you mean they are Christians, but they're just not a "Christian" band ... per se. I also get that conformity isn't a strictly Christian message ... well, in the sense I mean it, it is. After all, in the Christian sense, it's about being transformed and set apart for Christ. In a secular sense, it's more about being set apart to be set apart, or to escape hypocrisy, or even just for image or self, etc., etc. "Lost" has a pretty bad connotation though ... Usually someone who isn't a Christian is what comes to mind when someone uses the term; in Scripture, it's a different deal. It's used to term the believers who've gone astray. It's lost a lot of its impact though; it's too cliche now that most give it little real consideration, little consideration to what it means to be lost and to be found ...

Anyway, thanks.


<<we're most certainly not a christian band... not one little bit>> thats mike lewis' answer on this question on the official forums


The question as to whether or not a band is Christian or not is usually settled by whether or not their music is marketed in the Christian market, which Lostprophets is not and they never have been. Lizz7372 21:20, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects

Redirected all band member name stubs back here, they had no useful content and the band members are not notable for anything else apart from the band. Djbrianuk 22:00, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] lostprophets wrote "Sweet Dreams My L.A. Ex"!?

Ermmm I don't think so...

then who did? - Bagel7
Cathy Dennis wrote it.--Shrimpster
thanks - Bagel7

[edit] Name of Band

Does this need a technical limitations headline? Is the band name "Lostprophets" or "lostprophets"?

lostprophets, I'm almost certain. --Kiand 18:31, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
I've seen "lostprophets" as the correct spelling/referral by/from hardcore/hard-line fans. I believe the technical limitations tag is called for. --Zeryphex 14:24, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
its definitely lostprophets - Bagel7
No, it's "Lostprophets". It only ever appeared as all lower case because it looked better in the font they did an early logo in (Ian used to do graphic design and has a decent feel for that sort of thing). VKPS 21:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Further to my earlier comment, I'm going to change this to the correct name in a day or two unless anyone objects. This has been confirmed by Cat from Dragonninja (the only fansite thanked on every LPs album) with the band in the last fortnight; who has already corrected MusicBrainz. VKPS 16:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I Must object. The title on their official website is lostprophets, all lower-case. Check for yourselves: [1]. --86.34.216.200 21:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
The banner says LOSTPROPHETS and before the redesign the title on the top bar said LOSTPROPHETS too. As noted in the article different spellings are often used but the proper way is Lostprophets. CfW 10:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Best

I recal reading somewhere (maybe the DragonForce website) that lostprophets beat out the band DragonForce for the band of the year in the UK in (I believe) 2004. Might be interesting to note. --Silvermoonburn 03:40, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

then note it - Bagel7
They also won best uk band at the pop factory awards this year.--Shrimpster

[edit] Liberation Transmission?

Could somebody please reference where it was confirmed the the third album will be titled Liberation Transmission? I know that it says "Liberation Transmission: June 27th" on their Myspace, but I wouldn't put it past Ian Watkins to edit their Myspace like that as more of a teaser than an actual confirmation of title. Thanks.

Liberation Transmission is the name and its out Pyromaniac589 15:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The PRP--Shrimpster

[edit] More Links

im gonna add some more links. - Bagel7

im gonna add a link to my myspace fansite, because from there there are links to a lot of other fansites and thre shall be news and such things. - screamo_dude

Sorry, but we can't be having fansites (other than dragonninja, and of course contest that if you disagree) being added. U-Mos 18:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ilan rubin

he hasn't been confirmed as being the actual new band member he's only been confirmed as being the new drummer for the past wales tour in April and for GIAN 2006

ok now he's been confirmed from a site

[edit] Citation issues

I have a number of concerns about the lack of adequate citations in certain parts of the Lostprophets article: As per the comments made during the Featured Article debate, the article makes the claim that Lostprophets are 'widely credited' with popularising certain aspects of fashion. Not only is this claim rather questionable and reeking somewhat of post hoc ergo propter hoc (obviously, we can't definitively point to the tipping point of those phenomenons, but in the case of trucker hats, are we to believe that Lostprophets had more to do with popularising them than Marc Jacobs or Von Dutch?), without a citation (preferably more than one) to qualify 'widely credited', the sentence becomes even more inappropriate for the page.

In addition to these, the article's use of citations is pretty unacceptable - while the references section briefly lists a number of articles alluded to (without corresponding inline citations to indicate which claims come from which interview), so many claims in the article lack proper sources, something which is essential for Good Article status.

I wanted to bring this up on the talk page rather than going straight to remove the article from the good article list to give the active editors a chance to re-evaluate the page in accordance with the GA criteria, but if after another couple of weeks the article still doesn't shape up, I'll request a review of its GA status. Cheers. Idp 21:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)AMIE

[edit] Name Pt. II

The home page says LOSTPROPHETS; the MySpace says Lostprophets. Neither suggest the band preferring a lowercase l.

The band themselves have noted that. - Bagel7 07:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Source? DragonNinja (big LPs fansite) investigated this very recently and the band told them otherwise. The original logos were all lowercase because it looked better in the fonts being used, not because it's the band name. VKPS 16:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Noted what? That the l should indeed be lower-case? --213.40.131.66 12:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Town Called Hypocrisy

Someone has listed Town Called Hypocrisy as the second single from Liberation Transmission. Where was this information got from? I couldn't find anything of the sort on the internet.

Right, stop adding this. If it has been confirmed as a new single, post citation with it. If not, do not add it. How hard is that? 217.43.18.40, you have been warned! U-Mos 17:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Told you it was the next single before the album was even released.—Preceding unsigned comment added by YesMapRadio (talk • contribs)

Yes, well done, now please look into your crystal ball and tell us all the future holds (sarcasm). DO NOT ADD A NEW SINGLE UNLESS IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED, NO MATTER HOW LIKELY IT IS! U-Mos 11:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article: Delisted

As the numerous flaws I addressed a couple of weeks back have still not been addressed - indeed, as when they were brought up in the peer review and featured article nomination, they were simply ignored, I've removed lostprophets from the list of 'Good Articles'. Suggestions for improvement can be found under the heading 'citation issues' as well as in the peer review and featured article nomination page. Idp 00:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jamie Oliver Disambiguation

I'm not sure what Wikipedia's policy on this is, but I thought I'd bring it up anyway. Even though Ian Watkins doesn't have his own page, he appears as part of a disambiguation page if you search for him (the link redirects to this page). Should the same be done for Jamie Oliver? I would do it myself, but I have no idea how to go about it.

There's a dab line on Jamie Oliver. The name would need more meanings to warrant a dab page.

i have now made pages for most band member and BTW the guys real name isnt jamie oliver is it so there is no need to do anything--Childzy talk contribs 21:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The link on the main page to Jamie Oliver the chef has now been changed to the right person. There's no need to have to go through that article when a single link does the trick. Josh 11:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Band Picture

OK - that band pic is VERY out of date! May I suggest [2] as a replacement? I can't upload it myself because I'm not a registered user. Anyway, you might be wondering why the picture only features five members - not Ilan Rubin. Seeing as he does not feature on the new album, and so isn't on any promo pics etc., I don't think he should be in Wikipedia's picture. So can someone please upload that picture and replace the old one with it? Thanks 213.122.68.204 18:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

And while we're at it, could someone please use [3] as the title of the infobox? It would look really awesome! 81.131.70.96 18:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

This would be a great idea as those images are the most updated of the band, but the Wikipedia upload file states that unless those images are public domain, they are not to be updated. Could someone verify whether or not Imageshack hosted files are public domain? --DJFrank 09:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
No, they are emphatically not public domain. In my experience, the best band photos for Wikipedia's purpose are press release photos. This does not mean any old photo used in the press -- just because it's published in a newspaper or magazine does not make it fair game -- but we can use a photo issued by the band's record company or management in a press kit. This is a packet sent to newspapers, radio stations, and sometimes music retailers to promote the band, and usually includes an "official" band photo that is intended to be used for purposes like ours. See if you can locate one of these -- they often have a white border with band information in small text at the bottom. (See Nick Rhodes for one example.) Upload it with the {{promophoto}} tag and be sure to include information on where you got it -- the pic is much less likely to be deleted if another Wikipedian can verify that it's okay for us to use. Good luck! — Catherine\talk 14:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, a different version of the same picture's been uploaded by someone. The quality's a bit rubbish, but it's better than the oudated pic from before! Clearly if anyone stumbles upon a better version it would be appreciated - and using their logo as the title would be awesome! U-Mos 16:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

I'm glad that somebody changed their genre to pop-rock instead of alternative metal.

Oh, please... and it was changed back anyway - and quite right! 213.122.132.25 17:49, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't we add emo to their genre. DavidJJJ 07:34, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't really think they are emo (which in and of itself is hard to define these days) and Ian even said on their Myspace page a while ago that they don't consider themselves emo. If you buy the new album and upload it to iTunes, the genre comes up as metal, but I think they are more alternative rock.Lizzysama 21:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Rock is a good choice for the genre at the start of the article, as lostprophets have songs that could be classed as a billion different genres. Fake Sound if like post-hardcore meets nu metal, the new album is like We Are Scientists covering The Cure.

please remember to sign posts with ~~~~ thanks, Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 15:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

i think that they arnt emo than they are Alternative Rock—Preceding unsigned comment added by Captaincookie (talk • contribs)

they're not really emo. they're lyrics aren't that emo, more politically aimed kinda. also, bands like sum 41 remind me of hawthorne heights, but hawthorne heights is emo cuz of their lyrcs, and sum 41's lyrics are sometimes political instead. i would mostly say alt-rock,with some punk and post-hardcore influences. a little like what taking back sunday's wikipedia page said before it got changed.

They could be considered emo nowadays, with the backing vocals and the dramatic style of vocals. The earlier Lostprophets were more of hard rock. Their image is beginning to look more emo aswell, the long, greasy hair and make-up. --Soetermans 16:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

dammit guys, emo looks doesn't make a band emo. if that was true, a lot more goth and punk rock bands would also be considered emo. it's the music that determines if a band is emo. now this band is more political than emo, and you guys know it. songs with the names of "a town called hypocrisy", "shinobi vs. dragon ninja" and "last train home" aren't emo songs! i'm ok with nu-metal, and would even consider adding metalcore because i think the old music like "the sweet life of swing" actually has some metalcore. 66.57.12.148 22:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
"The Sweet Life Of Swing"...? Surely it's "the handsome life of swing" 86.131.148.137 (talk) 07:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


I believe you're focusing on what the lostprophets used to be, and less who they are now. Liberation Transmission does not reflect the image that thefakesoundofprogress originally suggested. This may be due to the lostprophets abandoning their independent label, or losing one or two of their members. Currently, the lostprophets reflect the image of an emo band through not only their hair, makeup, and clothes, but their lyrics as well.
The lyrics of the song rooftops are a great example of this. <Removed lyrics due to possible copyright infringment Seraphim Whipp 00:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)>
 I believe these lyrics are very emotional, and would definately fit the stereotype of an emo rock band. For this reason, along with the band's new look and their change of label, I vote to describe the lostprophets as an emo rock band on wikipedia.
Litanss 07:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

You make a fair point, but the fact is that "emo" nowadays is more a derogatory term than a musical genre. Therefore it shouldn't be used. U-Mos 11:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

guys, guys. i'm tired of the alt metal pop rock new wave w/e arguement. could we also add post-grunge in? i believe that AMG has listed that as a style in every cd they came out with. and to continue on with hthe arguement, liberation transmission was a short departure from their old style of music. it was only becasue they had so much pop in them, that they had to let it out. they said their 4th album's gonna return to their roots. Itachi1452 03:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Opinions

I want to add somewhere that their new album is a piece of garbage, how can I do this? ````—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.151.219 (talk • contribs)

Well you go to a forum, and voice any (completely wrong) thoughts of yours there, not here. And you sign comments with ~~~~, not ````. U-Mos 09:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

who says its completely wrong. its opinion.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.235.3 (talk • contribs)

Fair enough, but this is still not the place to voice them. U-Mos 18:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It is in fact absolutely terrible. Jesus. Why the hell did they change their sound so drastically? Ian seems to think that using "Were you wearing the same clothes 5 years ago" as an answer is acceptable. But its quite clearly a fucking weak explanation.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.245.171 (talk • contribs)

Reading Kerrang! it would appear they're not entirely happy with it. Ian describes it as "the record they needed to make at the time" and that they needed to get the pop stuff out of their system. They also say if it was any more poppy then it wouldn't be them. This all bodes well for the next album :) CfW 10:57, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

And what have their clothes got to do with the music? Anyone who says that clearly hasn't listened to the album properly or they'd see how much effort had been put into it. You don't like it? Fine, but don't blame their image and don't say it's through lack of trying. And for the record, I think their image rules. And CfW (who makes rational arguments), I don't think that means they're unhappy with the record at all, just they don't want to make anything like it again. Which is great, cos no one (except possibly our outspoken friend up there) wants to hear the same album again. And Ian's expressed many times that is favourite song on the album is Can't Catch Tomorrow, which is undoubtedly the poppiest of the lot. U-Mos 18:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Listen. Wikipedia has a Neutral Point of View, and is an encyclopedia, not a place to broadcast your opinion. If you want to do this, go make a weblog, Usenet, forum or whatever. Wikipeida is an encyclopedia. Salaskan 20:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Any requests for changes to the external links section go here. DO NOT request that their myspace is included, as it is found from lostprophets.com. U-Mos 19:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

"DO NOT request that their myspace is included, as it is found from lostprophets.com."
This should be added to the do not edit comment in the article edit box.
— Michael 21:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can't Catch Tomorrow (Good Shoes Won't Save You This Time)

I heard this was going to be the next single.—Preceding unsigned comment added by YesMapRadio (talk • contribs)

a) Sign comments with ~~~~, b) no new singles should be added until they are confirmed - so until there is no doubt and c) tomorrow is spelt tomorrow. U-Mos 14:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

http://uk.sonymusic.co.uk/forums/lostprophets/showthread.php?t=11434 - is this considered a valid source? Dragonninja seem to be taking this as true and say it's the new single on their main page. 82.6.67.134 21:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)Cf

This does seem valid, however the post does say they are PLANNING to release it. I have added this to the liberation transmission section of the article, but it should not be added to the singles table until there is more concrete evidence that it is the next single. U-Mos 12:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capital L

The MySpace and message board both have the band's name beginning with an upper-case L. Relevant?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.209.212 (talk • contribs)

This has been discussed many times; look up! It's lostprophets. U-Mos 10:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, look it up. it's Lostprophets with the capital L. the only reason people think it's lostprophets is cuz it's always either all capital case or all lowercase letters. trust me, when i got liberation transmission, both itunes and windows media player read it as Lostprophets, and i also looked it up, and confirmed on the band's site that it's Lostprophets. Itachi1452 19:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bad Introduktion

Why does it say that Lostprophet is a "GAY welsh POP band"?? That is for the first untrue! The second thing; all the articles are supposed to be written from a neutral perspective! This is my report to the articles introduktion and I think it should be rewritten or removed!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dewiee (talk • contribs)

It was reverted U-Mos 18:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Revert it yourself, Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia ;-) Salaskan 19:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Image

I'm not sure how to do it, but if I could, I would change the current image on the page. Maybe to the first picture that was there, or any other old picture prior to "Liberation," since they dressed much simply for the majority of their career (As opposed to the New Romantic image now up.) I know this makes little difference and is just a matter of opinion, but I don't feel their current image represents them well. But it's the music that really counts.

[edit] Couple of changes

- I've removed the part about controversy and press in the introduction. Felt like this wasn't needed here. Perhaps one or two lines about SS and LT?

- I've removed the quote about ATCH being the next single. Now it's out it's not really needed.

- I've removed the quote from months ago about LT's sound. Now the album is out it's not really needed and also it was an old blog on myspace so it can't be referenced.

- I've removed the "Liberation Phase II" name for the tour. I've not seen it called this anywhere and the citation needed has been there ages. The fact there's an upcoming tour is enough.

Hope there's no objections to any of that. 82.6.67.134 21:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)Cf

Those are good edits, well done for being bold and doing them. U-Mos 12:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charts

Do you think a paragraph about LT's chart performance is appropriate? Namely that LT has fell from the charts quicker than SS did, and the fact that though it did get #1 album it did so with quite low sales compared to other #1s (see the 2006 in uk music page). Also the fact that ATCH only got 23, which for a second single is quite low when you compare to SS's singles. Only Shinobi and Goodbye Tonight charted lower then that. 81.106.195.9 11:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)Cf

All that would be useful, but I think it would be better off on the Liberation Transmission page. U-Mos 16:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Former members

There needs to be some citation for the listed former members. How do people know that there was previously a guy called Shane, Greg Knight and DJ Stepzak in the band? And as for Rahul Srinivasan, I am almost certain this is vandalism but I don't want to remove it in case it is true! However, if citation is not added to the article or listed here, I will have to remove these former members from the article. U-Mos 10:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genre Issues and Reverting

I reverted the article due to the inaccuracy of the latest edits:

- in the Current Line-up section: "Mike Richards - Vocals" (?);

- in the Start Something section: "taking a break from bumming each other"(?!);

- in the Genre tag: "Emocore/Nu metal";

While the first two are obvious vandalisms, I'm sure the genre issue will continue to be argued.

I think a solution to this problem is to consider the description stated by the lostprophets official page on myspace.com, which is "Rock / Alternative / New Wave". We should keep the genre debate on the talk page not in the article itself. Does anybody object? Violethope 17:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I think just "rock" band in the summary along with "alt metal" "alt rock" and "hard rock" in the summary on the right are accurate enough. They don't need changing, so unless there's a consensus reached in the talk page that it should be changed then just edit any changes people make to it. Especially change it if someone puts emo :/ CfW 18:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glorified Demo

That £6000 needs a source... As with the former members ultimatum let's give this a week before we wipe it off. CfW 22:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


I found and added a source for thefakesoundofprogress recording cost. Seems that £6000 was wrong. Violethope 16:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative metal?

This isn't alternative metal. It's poppunk. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.89.24.41 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 10 October 2006.

By practice, we will first classify them according to websites and reviews. In the absence of that, we will go by popular definition. But failing both of that, we come up with our own categorisation by our own experience of their music.
As a listener of their music myself, I agree it's hard to classify their music. In that scenario, we usually give artistes multiple categorisations, or put a section explaining the debate on categorisation. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 15:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I think "rock" in the introduction is fine. thefakesoundofprogress can be classifed as alt metal so it's valid to have that in our genre list. I don't think i've ever seen anyone refer to them as pop punk before. We currently have Liberation Transmission classified as "pop rock" rather than "hard rock" as it used to be. I left this edit be as I agree with it, but it was done without any discussion. What are other people's thoughts? CfW 17:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The band are not alternative metal. They're a hardcore-influenced mainstream hard rock band, mouthful though that description may be. --Switch 08:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
the band's altmetal. if you think they aren't, you probably just heard liberation transmission or any of the singles from it. but if you were to listen to their old songs, especially from thefakesoundofprogress, you'd hear the dramatic difference. those songs are definetly alt metal.Itachi1452 22:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Alternative metal, but not hard rock —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.123.241 (talk) 11:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protect?

There have been alot of anon users vandalising this page recently, and most useful edits come from registered users. I think it might be a good idea to request semi-protection for this article. Comments? U-Mos 21:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

That would be a great idea. This article is trashed on a daily basis. I'd love to read it for good information not just to clean it up :) . Violethope 19:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Right, I've nominated it for semi-protection. Now we wait... U-Mos 14:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name, again

"The band is named after a bootleg recording of a 1988 Duran Duran concert in Italy[1]. The name is intended to be spelled out as all one word, all in lower case."

That note doesn't lead anywhere. As much as I personally prefer "lostprophets" to "Lostprophets" I'm finding it very difficult to find somewhere to confirm this. A recent addition to the dragonninja faq says the proper way is "Lostprophets". The lp website forums has it listed as "Lostprophets". The lp myspace page says "Lostprophets" and they sign their bulletins with "Lostprophets". The visible noise website seems to use both variations, so they're not much help.

Any chance of a source stating definitively that it's "lostprophets" as at the moment "Lostprophets" seems to be the correct way... CfW 09:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Keep it as it is until there is definite confiormation either way. I think it should be lostprophets. U-Mos 10:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
There is definite confirmation. The update to the Dragonninja FAQ came from Cat (the owner) speaking to Ian Watkins (the lead singer) about it. VKPS 22:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
http://www.moacsupreme.co.uk/faq.php
Q: How is the band name spelled? "Lost Prophets," "The Lost Prophets," or "Lostprophets?"
A: The band name is one word, "Lostprophets." No space, capital L and the rest lowercase, no "The." Why? Because that's how the band wants it. How do I know? Because Ian told me so himself.
As much as I prefer "lostprophets" I think the evidence points to it officially being "Lostprophets"... CfW 16:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I'll give until Friday evening for a source to be supplied saying it's "lostprophets", otherwise i'm gonna change it. CfW 19:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Done. Also added a few sentences about the different spellings. CfW 16:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Good work, although I hoped it would be lostprophets *sob*. U-Mos 17:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

So did I, it's soo much better. At the end of the day though we've gotta go with what it is on here :( CfW 19:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why has so much been deleted?

Huge sections of the article have been removed with no discussion on this page about it. All the stuff about people leaving Andrew WK gigs after lostprophets support set and the stuff about them getting bottled at Deconstruction and the stuff about Donatella Versace flying them to her home and giving them free clothes because her kid was a massive fan is all true and can be found in the articles cited in the references section at the bottom of the page.

Almost everything about the backlash against the band has been removed, as well as stuff about them cancelling gigs including their slot at the Reading and Leeds festival before the release of Start Something. Reverting now will be a pain in the ass because some good updates have been made to the Liberation Transmission section which will need to be kept.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.61.200.145 (talk • contribs)

This was done a while ago by Xinit. Although annoying, everything removed was done so because of it being POV and/or unsourced. Basically, the info previously there could be readded if it was reworded slightly and given a verifiable source. U-Mos 15:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The New Transmission

I don't think a forum post by some (what appears to be) random guy really qualifies as a source for this being the next single... CfW 21:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought about this, but I think people can look at the citation and decide for themselves whether to believe it. I have added into thie singles table that it's not confirmed though. U-Mos 13:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I did go a bit overboard there... I've added a line to the history section with a link to the forum thread. U-Mos 18:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welsh or British vote

Thought this would be easier as a vote. I have put the article back to Welsh, and this should NOT be changed until a consensus is reached (which won't take long, I feel). Just put your username under Welsh or British and any and all comments under the comments section. U-Mos 11:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welsh

CfW
VKPS
U-Mos
Gwernol
Imasleepviking
Bagel7

[edit] British

User:87.127.54.17

[edit] Comments

I've reverted this a couple of times already, but don't want to get into an edit war over it.

I think the article should state them as a Welsh band rather than British, because they come from Wales. There is nothing at all wrong with referring to them as Welsh. People from Wales are Welsh, as well as British. The editor suggests Wales isn't a country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_(terminology) suggests otherwise.

What are other people's thoughts? CfW 19:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Welsh band. Welsh people are British, but sounds can often be characterised/influenced by particular regions so to call them specifically Welsh seems reasonable. VKPS 00:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Definitely should be Welsh; Wales is so a country! Calling them Welsh is more specific. U-Mos 11:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I expected these kind of unfounded comments from idiots who base their arguments on groundless nationalism. Even Wikipedia doesn't recognise Wales as a country, see:list of countries. Wales is ruled entirely by the UK parliament, has the same laws, the same citizenship, and there is no controlled border between the two regions. Very few people in North American or European Countries would know what you're talking about if you tried to tell them that you're from "Wales", further adding to the argument that it isn't a recognised country. Having a flag and an anthem doesn't make you a country. Wake up and smell the coffee. The details box should state that they're from the UK and are British, but I have no problem adding later in the argument that they're from the Wales region of the UK. 87.127.54.17 17:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks. There is no need for it; I have struck them from the above. Unless you have evidence to support your speculation about people's views of Wales' status, you aren't adding anything to the discussion. Even if there was evidence that few people know Wales is a country, it doesn't mean anything. Most people don't understand the Theory of relativity, that doesn't mean it isn't true. The status of a country isn't determined by popularity contests. Wales has historically been a country, its currently technically a principality which is a type of country. I see no reason why Lostprophets shouldn't be considered a Welsh band. Its precise and specific. Gwernol 17:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

You are biased because you are Welsh. I have provided evidence to support my argument, Wales is not on Wikipedia's list of countries. If you want further evidence, see the acts of union. Wales has never been and never will be a country, that is fact.87.127.54.17 19:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not Welsh, don't jump to conclusions based on my user name. The "evidence" you provided also doesn't list England or Scotland as countries, are you about to remove all references to them as well? Even if we accept that Wales is not technically a "country", that doesn't mean that someone cannot be Welsh. Britain is not a true country any more as partial sovereignty has passed to the European Union. Should we list The Kinks, The Rolling Stones and The Who as "European bands"? Of course not. They are quintessentially English bands, and Lostprophets appear to be Welsh in a meaningful sense. Gwernol 19:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

There are so many factual inaccuracies in that post. Firstly, Scotland and England aren't countries either, they're regions of Britain, just like Wales. Although England is sometimes used as a synonym for the UK. Secondly, on you EU point, the UK is still a true country because the UK can leave the EU any time it likes, something I'd be keen to see but that's another debate. The EU is a kind of glorified UN and is not a nationality or country. 87.127.54.17 21:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

If you look under Welsh music in Wales, it show that the lostprophets are a Welsh band not English, and, as a point of interest, Scotland was an independent state until May 1707.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cglenholmes (talk • contribs) at 18:03 on November 6, 2006

How is that relevant? I haven't said that they're "English", I said that they're British, which is correct. We're not talking about Scotland, either. 87.127.54.17 19:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that these arguments are missing the point insofar as they consider themselves a prominent welsh band and that would define them as welsh, i would think.Imasleepviking 03:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I know these arguments are old, but I just wanted to provide another reason to regard lostprophets as a Welsh band: this is more specific than calling then a British, and therefore more right. - Bagel7T's 01:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Singles

"I Don't Know" was a US single and so is "The New Transmission" just that they never release b-sides or anything. It's just radio airplay. You could search it on the prp.com or on the official lostprophets forums. -Shrimpster Dec 8, 2006 (UTC)

Radio airplay only=not a single. U-Mos 18:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


Also as of now The New Transmission is shown as a single which it is not, there is also speculation of 4AM forever being the next single because Ryan Smith's filmography page(http://www.ryansmithdirector.com/filmography.html) shows that he has directed a music video from lostprophets with the title 4AM forever 69.145.148.216 22:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Samples

Err, personally I don't listen to the band, but isn't using 3 songs from the same album as samples quite redundant? -74.111.32.69 03:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It's fine - Bagel7 21:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Grindcore Rules"?

This seems to be a new single or something on their myspace page. Should this be mentioned on the page? And where does this single come from? B-side? - Bagel7 21:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It's an old song 69.145.148.216 01:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Can someone please tell me where it comes from? - Bagel7T's 01:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative Metal

We happy with this? No one has changed it in quite a few edits so i'm reluctant to put it back to rock. CfW 17:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Erm, it's always been listed as that (since November at any rate). I would keep it as it is, as it encompasses the sounds of all the band's major releases. U-Mos 18:00, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh sorry, you mean at the start of the article. Now that I do think should be rock, as it is more general. Any other thoughts? U-Mos 18:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
We don't want to make the classification as general as can be, I think Alt. Rock is fine.Imasleepviking 19:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] B-Sides

can anybody put a list of the b-sides,covers and demos in FSOP, Start Something, Liberation Transmission? .Fobluis 18:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I certainly can and will put it on the discography page ASAP U-Mos 17:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Wow, have I still not done this? I'll get on it soon, I swear. U-Mos 15:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

Do you think we should add Nu metal and New wave to their music genres, as nu metal reflects their older stuff and new reflects their new poppier album Liberation Transmission? DavidJJJ 18:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I think alt metal/alt rock/hard rock is enough to describe the first two albums. Maybe, if consensus is reached, something to describe LT, but for the love of god not emo... CfW 10:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New CD

i think we need to do a article about the band's new album...

Not yet, wait until there's more info. U-Mos 15:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is the translation correct?

Para Todas las Putas Celosas is translated in the text as "For all the jealous Whores". However, if you follow the link, it isn't "whores", but "bitches". The person who changed the text back on the 8th February comes from IP address 151.198.191.133, which is a school's IP address, and in going through the list of changes they have "contributed", I have found multiple instances of vandalism. For some reason, this change was not corrected (although the addition of their own name was removed). As a non-spanish speaker, I could not say for certain what is correct. I used a couple of on-line translation devices, but none would translate "putas". Which word is correct? If it turns out "whores" is correct, then the other page will need correction. StephenBuxton 18:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

It's "bitches", apparently. It was changed on the main page as, according to the user, it is more literal. I put whores originally, but I can't actually remember where I got it from. This is backed up by the song "Bitchez" from the EP, which contains the spanish line. U-Mos 15:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
From Te Quiero Puta! - The phrase "Te quiero puta!" translates literally from Spanish as "I want you, whore". However, a more idiomatic and more accurate translation would be "I love you, whore". Puta is often mistranslated to the word "bitch". Hope that helps seven+one 20:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
So is it whores or bitches? It was "bitches" in the article, but Bineye just changed it to "whores," and I'm wondering which one is correct. - Bagel7T's 08:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I write more in the spanish wiki at http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lostprophets I talk spanish, I think they wanted to mean bitches, because I know "bitches" is a slang, while "whores" is an official word, and the word "putas" its derived from the word prostitutas (I think) and can be considered like a slang term in spanish. I'm chilean and I'm very happy with the spanish title, makes me proud! in a weird way. It's a good Ep. Cheers Pancho86 (talk) 23:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Early Genre

Im not sure what exact genre Lostprophets should be classified now. But I know for a fact this band used to play under the style Nu-metal on their first album. I was wondering if someone should add nu-metal in their genre box, (with 'early' written down in brackets) so the confusion of this debate can be dampened down a bit?Funkmetalhead16 16:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

No. Alt metal is fine. CfW 17:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

With the new album coming i think there should be a link to:

typically all wiki-music pages have a link to the bands myspace, even if it is linked on the bands site, i am sure almost all bands have a link on there website to there myspace, and there mypsace to website. and in the case of buzz.net being the main site the band seem to use for updates on the new album it should be in there, dragonnija isnt even an official site, and your putting that in.(LemonLemonLemons 15:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Metalcore?

Does anyone think the band are metalcore? They sound kinda like a fusion between alternative metal and punk rock, which is metalcore. Thundermaster367 14:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

No definately not. Their older stuff was alternative metal but definately not metalcore. Metalcore is stuff like As I lay Dying and Every Time I Die. I definately would not classify them as Metalcore. Especially since they've gone more commercial now. I think Alt Metal is fine. RPI 14:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I see your point. Thundermaster367 (talk) 09:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hard Rock

Hard rock??? They are more of Linkin Park sort of sound, like an Alt. Rock Alt. Metal crossover. But not hard rock. Hard rock is Bon Jovi and QOTSA. However, it's not Lostprophets. Now if someone doesn't find a source for it in 24 hours, I'll remove it. Thundermaster367 10:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nu metal

It's obvious that their earlier work is nu metal, it has a sort of Limp Bizkit sound to it. Also, having a DJ with scratching is a clear nu metal element. If nobody answers within 24 hours, I will add it. Thundermaster367 12:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

No their not Nu-metal for me, the genre's before you added nu-metal were fine and should be left alone.--Brickovic (talk) 16:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, making a post with your argument that no one sees is not considered "discussion" on Wikipedia, time limit or not. Please wait to actually discuss with other people before making such important edits. - Bagel7T's 04:06, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't going to discuss. I was trying to see if anyone objected to the changes. ''I Am The Master Of All Thunder'' (talk) 09:06, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
And yet it says on page next to the genres of lostprophets: "Please discuss on the talk page first before editing, has been talked through." I had assumed you had seen this and then decided to "discuss" on the talk page by yourself. If you hadn't seen the warning and just acted, that's even worse. In terms of sections of the articles that have that warning, please wait for discussion before making important edits. Thanks. - Bagel7T's 21:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry. They aren't nu metal. I compared them to SoaD (an alt metal band) and they sound a lot alike. ThundermasterThundermaster's Talk 16:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] post-grunge?

All music guide desribes all of lostprophets albums so far as post-grunge and i can see why, they show a lot of elements of the genre surely it should be added.--Lockebox (talk) 15:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Where is this? Give me a reliable link. Do not add anything yet. - Bagel7T's 22:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Here you go. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:d9fwxql0ldte --Lockebox (talk) 17:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Well we can take a vote, but if the majority of Wikipedians don't agree, then I don't think we should change it. Personally, I don't think they're post-grunge, and I'm not entirely sure how objective AllMusic is. - Bagel7T's 07:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lostprophets - Alternative rock, Hard Rock and Alternative Metal vs. Alternative rock, Post-grunge and Punk Rock

When you critisize a band for its musical genre, you have to keep in mind the background of the band. Lostprophet's history is alternative and rock - that's a fact, but isn't it a (big-)little punk or post-grunge? Last train home, Burn Burn, Make A Move, Can't Catch Tomorrow, Rooftops, The New Transmission, Ride, We Are Godzilla You Are Japan ... haven't those songs got some kind of weird punk like sort of vibe? And i don't think it's that Metal of music ...meteoritu (talk) 14:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Just because you think so doesn't mean they are. Do you have any reliable sources to back your opinion up? Do not change anything yet. - Bagel7T's 22:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nu Metal

Shal we include nu metal (older material) in the genre, as TFSOP seems very nu met-lish, with on-off riffs, lots of DJ-ing, and Ian's vocals seem a bit rap-like in Shinobi Titan50 (talk) 21:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we've decided that alternative metal is fine.--Brickovic (talk) 13:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I still don't get it... i don't think lostprophets is metal :/ meteoritu (talk) 16:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Listen to the entirety of TFSOP Titan50 (talk) 13:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

TFSOP is definately metal. Start something is more of a hard rock approach. And liberation is even more pop rock. Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 13:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Remember to use ":" to indent each separate post please. TFSOP definitely has metal elements, that's why the genre of "Alternative Metal" is on the page. They are not Nu Metal. And Riverpeopleinvasion's comment is right on. - Bagel7T's 22:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't give two flying figs what anyone wants to call them, we should only add the genres from reliable cites, everything else should be removed, aggressively.--Alf melmac 10:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archive

Should the talk page be archived? It has more than 50 topics inside. I have no idea how, maybe someone should archive it? Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 19:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lostprophets

Lostprophets is a Nu metal band. Their first album thefakesoundofprogress is clearly nu metal and not Alternative metal.--88.88.23.109 (talk) 07:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nu Metal

TFSOP is a Nu metal album. I got proof right her All Music Guide —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alice Mudgardens (talk • contribs)

Might I say, that's what critics call them, only the band can say what the album is, because they were the makers and it's to them the album is meaningful. user:meteoritu 3:05 - March 20th 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 03:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Allmusic is a terrible place to use as a source for genres. It is frequently not even close. Plus, unless a band creates a new genre, their sound is typically going to be an influence of several other genres. Alternative metal kind of sums that up - it has metal influences, but also has several others so it's alternative. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Still it's nu metal. If a song has heavy guitar rythmens it's nu metal jackass. And the band can't choose the gendre to the album. That means that no of the Korn albums are nu metal. --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 18:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

This discussion isn't closed, that means don't change the genres. It will be changed when a consensus has been reached.Imasleepviking ( talk ) 20:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Many other agrees with me when it comes to that Lostprophets is a nu metal band. You can't say those heavy guitar rythmens on thefakesoundofprogress has nothing to do with nu metal. Even on the thefakesoundofprogress page it sais that the album is nu metal. And songs like Shinobi vs. Dragon Ninja, The Fake Sound of Progress and Burn Burn are also listed as nu metal songs. --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 07:37, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The term "nu metal" is too vague and all-inclusive. Aside from that, they've started a transformation and can't really be considered a nu metal band anymore. I don't know if you've heard their newer stuff, but it's not this "nu metal" shit.Imasleepviking ( talk ) 17:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The songs from TFSOP is nu metal and some of their new song are nu metal like The Dead and Weapon and nu metal is listed as a genre on Lostprophets' untitled fourth studio album. Even if it's vague still most people agree that you got to have heavy guitar rythmens in a song. And many songs by Linkin Park are just as heavy like those on TFSOP and those songs are listed like nu metal. --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 21:59, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with user:Wellwater Conspiracy when it comes to that Lostprophets is a nu metal band. --Well Hater (talk) 14:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nu metal listed as a genre vote

Thought this would be easier as a vote. I have put the article back to nu metal, and this should NOT be changed until a consensus is reached (which won't take long). Just put your username under nu metal or Not a Nu metal band and any and all comments under the comments section. --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 18:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Well as of right now, wellwater conspiracy's sockpuppet suspicions, I can't in good conscious allow any "conclusion" be made until an investigation can be made.Imasleepviking ( talk ) 23:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nu Metal

[edit] Not a nu metal band

They WERE a new metal band, they're not a new metal band anymore.

The above vote is invalid. Wikipedia does not vote Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_democracy. The correct way to approach this is for both sides to explain why the band is, or isn't nu metal. Provide sources, not opinions. Nouse4aname (talk) 13:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the vote was a result of several discussions with no conclusion. And maybe the lack of a conclusion is the conclusion. I think this band draws in a lot of outside influences and creates a wide variety of sounds throughout several genres and cannot be defined by one single genre. Perhaps the Lostprophets page should resemble the My Chemical Romance page. In their infobox, posted under "genres" is alt rock and "disputed sub-genres" which links to section within the My Chemical Romance page publicly discussing the bands influences and wide variety of genres and is well sourced. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
That is perhaps the best idea. The reason I struck through the above is because it will only cause more problems if people think the situation has been settled by a vote. Nouse4aname (talk) 17:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

There are no reliable sources that lostprophets are nu metal anyway. Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 21:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Then the people supporting Lostprophets as a nu metal band will have to work hard to back up their claims. Fezmar9 (talk) 17:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

Should only be listed as older material Titan50 (talk) 18:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC) As a note, we generally don't do "votes" on Wikipedia, but we do discussions. I'll revert your change of nu metal, because there is clearly no consensus for it. ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 06:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nu metal

I don't understand this. I posted nu metal as a genre with a reliable source, the BBC, and an editor constanly removes it. What was the point behind this? I was told that I should go to the talk page but there is nothing here objecting the addition of sourced information. MOTE Speak to me 12:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)