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[edit] Roanoke
I'm not sure the Roanoke bits belong here. Just over 100 people does not make a city. I don't know where else to put it though. -Koyaanis Qatsi (14:08, 31 March 2002)
- No, probably not but it will fit into what will prove a nice little catchment point. sjc
[edit] Mu-Mu
I don't think the capital of Atlantis was called Mu-Mu, though. Mu was a far later mythology; and the `Justified Ancients of MuMu' in Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus trilogy merely muddy the water further.
- You mean the K.L.F. and Miss Tammy Wynette got Mu-mu wrong? Naw!! Actually, you're right - Atlantis is the city and the island (I'm having to reread the Republic this week, God help me). I'm all in favor of natural-disaster-cities, and we should add "Akrotiri, island of Thera" to the list (high on the 'possible Atlantides' chart at the moment for people who refuse to believe that Plato was making it up). --MichaelTinkler
[edit] Ubar
Wasn't there an arabian city that got lost, as climate change and the shift of trade routes led to it being abandoned, and even its location being forgotton?
- The lost Arabian city was Ubar. Some orbital photographs taken from the shuttle showed ancient tracks that archaeologists home in on a site, which was shown to be Ubar in 1992. --PaulDrye
[edit] Pompeii & Herculaneum
How about adding Pompeii and Heculaneum under this category? Not lost as in misplaced, but lost as in destroyed.-- Malcolm Farmer
- I think we should add Pompeii and Heculaneum, with a qualification about the meanings of "lost."
[edit] Angkor Wat, Macchu Picchu
I've incorporated some of the above suggestions into the main page. Now, where do Angkor Wat, Macchu Picchu (if that's how it's spelled) and those Mayan cities buried in the jungle fit into this? In the case of the Peruvian city, do Spaniards count as a natural disaster? Do crop failures count? IIRC, that's one of the current theoiries about the Mayan collapse
[edit] "Not rebuilt"?
Troy shouldn't be in tha list of cities "not rebuilt". I understand that it was destroyed and rebuilt about 6 times, just wasn't rebuilt after the last destuction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.196.133.xxx (talk • contribs) (18:04, 13 November 2001)
- Also, Carthage was rebuilt by the later Romans, and I believe existed continuously until being absorbed as a suburb of Tunis. I really don't think a list is appropriate here, simply because there will be an absolutely huge number of cities that got depopulated at some point or another: Ur, Babylon, Hattusas, Washukanni, Ctesiphon, Ecbatana, and so forth, just off the top of my head from one region of the world. Examples should be given in the text, that's good enough. If anyone disagrees, the list consisted of Troy, Carthage, Sodom, and Gomorrah, and they are welcome to restore it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josh Grosse (talk • contribs) (20:31, 26 November 2001)
[edit] Minoan palaces
Btw, the eruption of a volcano causing extensive damage to the Minoan palaces is well documented, but isn't it general consensus nowadays that they quickly recovered and mainly collapsed due to interference from the Mycenaean mainland?
[edit] Tanis, Egypt?
What about Tanis, Egypt, where according to "Raiders of the Lost Ark" the Lost Ark was, erm, lost? Was it historical? And I have read from Bruce Sterling about Audoghast in the Sahara -Error (03:41, 1 July 2003)
[edit] New Orleans
I added New Orleans, due to it fitting the criteria "a city with a known location/existance, but is no longer inhabited." Yes, there are stragglers still lingering in the cesspool, but soon they will either leave/be removed or die of starvation/thirst/disease. Until the debate as to the future rebuilding/relocating, I suggest that New Orleans fits this criteria. Kyaa the Catlord
- New Orleans doesn't fit the definition of "lost city" by a long stretch of the imagination. Until it becomes an archaeological site it doesn't belong here.--Centauri 11:54, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
- shrug It appears I am not the only one who feels it DOES fit this criteria. I have not reverted or readded it to the page, but I still feel that your removal of it was incorrect. Kyaa the Catlord 16:23, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
- Maybe you should read the definition before adding inappropriate content to this article. New Orleans is no more a "lost city" than Banda Aceh is. --Centauri 11:40, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- I've not revised the article since you changed it. Other people feel that New Orleans IS a lost city. Kyaa the Catlord 11:57, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- "Other people" also believe that the earth is flat and that there are fairies at the bottom of the garden. Wikipedia is not a democracy. We're here to document facts - not the opinions of the uninformed or ignorant.--Centauri 12:30, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- No, apparently it is your private sandbox. Whatever you say goes and you'll continue to edit things away until you get your way. Kyaa the Catlord 12:51, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- "Other people" also believe that the earth is flat and that there are fairies at the bottom of the garden. Wikipedia is not a democracy. We're here to document facts - not the opinions of the uninformed or ignorant.--Centauri 12:30, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- I've not revised the article since you changed it. Other people feel that New Orleans IS a lost city. Kyaa the Catlord 11:57, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- Maybe you should read the definition before adding inappropriate content to this article. New Orleans is no more a "lost city" than Banda Aceh is. --Centauri 11:40, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- shrug It appears I am not the only one who feels it DOES fit this criteria. I have not reverted or readded it to the page, but I still feel that your removal of it was incorrect. Kyaa the Catlord 16:23, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
- At 250,000 people New Orleans may have lost almost half its population, but so have Detroit and Buffalo, just over a longer period of time. A quarter of a million is still a long way from uninhabbited.208.101.91.76 07:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hakim Bey
I don't know who added the Hakim Bey quotation, but I hereby declare that I adore it, and shall defend its place in this entry to the death. Trachys 11:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Naachtun
I removed the link to Naachtun, since the link simply points back to the main article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.18.183 (talk • contribs) (05:42, 22 January 2006)
[edit] Harappa, Mohenjo-daro, and Dwarka
Any reason why Harappa, Mohenjo-daro, and Dwarka are listed under Central Asia rather than South Asia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.122.43.71 (talk • contribs) (12:35, 4 January 2007)
[edit] Sabate?
I removed Sabate, Italy because no such city has ever existed. --Gspinoza 17:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- There are several cities listed here that are fictional or of questionable existence. Shouldn't Sabate be in that category? Ttmab7 22:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)TTMAB7
[edit] Sodom and Gomorrah
Should Sodom and Gomorrah be on this list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.187.0.164 (talk • contribs) (15:15, 26 July 2007)
- I think it should. I personally think it meets the criterion. Ttmab7 22:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC) TTMAB7
[edit] Lost city?
I heard about a city in Australia that disappeared in the 1940's. It was abandoned by the townspeople and covered up completely in a sandstorm. Anyone heard of this?
Also, perhaps it should be divided up into cities that are lost, and cities that were lost. Just a thought.Ttmab7 21:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)TTMAB7
[edit] List criteria?
Are there any criteria for getting on the list? AFAIK eg. Ayutthaya and Sukhothai, while both former capitals, were never "lost". Jpatokal (talk) 17:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- No, unfortunately, the list criteria for this article is very lax. Until it is rewritten, with good references, it will remain a catchall for truth, mythology, and pure fiction. Alas... ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 19:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- The term "lost city" is a colloquial term, not a scientific definition. It's really tied up with 19th century romantic European notions of discovery and trailblazing adventure than anything else. Whether a city is "lost" or not often depends on one's perspective. Angkor in Cambodia was never "lost" to the people who continued to live there - albeit in much smaller numbers than at the height of Cambodian civilization. The 19th century French who "discovered" it thought otherwise. Very few cities are ever completely lost to all human knowledge. Those that are tend to be either extremely ancient or extremely geographically isolated. It's far more common for "lost cities" to have been largely abandoned or gone into steep decline as a result of military, political or economic factors - but in most cases they're not actually literally physically "lost". --Gene_poole (talk) 21:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Yamatai -- a country?
Wikipedia and everything else I can find says this is a country, not a city. Delete?--Dougweller (talk) 18:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
