Talk:Los Angeles Lakers/Archive 1

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[edit] Introduction

I thought it was a mistake to structure the introduction around great centers and guards, since it meant leaving out Elgin Baylor, who is as emblematic of the Lakers as West, Chamberlin or Magic. I altered the structure to one focusing on the Lakers who are members of the 50 Greatest NBA Players, which gets Baylor plus all of the previous players except Goodrich. I like Gail, but he is not as important as Baylor. It might be good to add a list at the end of Lakers who have had their numbers retired, and that would catch Gail.

I also added a brief section on Chick Hearn, who by any measure is as important to the Laker franchise as any of the Hall of Fame players. Gogh 21:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main Rivals

I must question how the Detroit Pistons and the Los Angeles Clippers can be considered rivals to the Lakers. The Pistons are, at best, a seasonal rival because of how they dominated the star-studded 2003-04 Lakers team. They cannot be considered a true rival unless they continuously battle for the NBA crown (e.g. the Lakers and the Celtics in the 1960s, mid-1980s). The Los Angeles Clippers have long been considered a joke by the Lakers, and only "rival" the Lakers because it is considered shameful to be worse than the perpetually lottery-bound Clippers. I'll edit them out right now, but if you have any objections feel free to edit them right back in, but please justify the decision.King July 1, 2005 23:22 (UTC)

[edit] Celebrity fans

I don't think there needs to be a separate section about the Lakers' celebrity fanbase AND an entry under the Miscellaneous section about the Lakers' celebrity fans. It's redundant. One or the other should be deleted IMO. Anyone else agree? --Jsol5 09:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Yup. I hadn't noticed that before. Thanks for pointing it out. Mwelch 22:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Slava

Slava Medvadanko doesn't play for the lakers any more. This needs to be updated again. What's weird is that this page has the new guys such as Von Wafer, but the page still has Slava! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.116.22.138 (talk • contribs) 13:45, 5 December 2005.

You can be bold and update it! Unfortunately, it seems that you're wrong. The NBA page [[1]] still has Slava there and I personally haven't heard anything to support your theory. Sebastian Kessel Talk 20:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
He's still on the roster, he just hasn't had any playing time in quite a while. He seems to be out of favor with Phil. -->Chemical Halo 22:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
No, Slava's been injured. He got hurt at the beginning of the season and was expected to be out at least a few months. Haven't seen in the LA Times recently if he's been practicing yet or not. howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 16:45, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Ohhh! Herniated disc. At the time they said he'd be out 6 weeks[2]. -->Chemical Halo 18:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Gotcha, he is in the roster, then. Question settled. :) Sebastian Kessel Talk 03:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Slava was waived off the roster to make room to pick up Jim Jackson. Also, Laron Profit was waived after a season-ending injury during the game that Kobe scored 62 points in 3 quarters.--> Galtarafal

[edit] LA vs. Miami

Didn't they play the Miami Heats every Christmas since the Shaq trade? someone should add, that because i remember two games on two christmas and they were against each other

Yes that is true, but I do not think that it deserves to be on here because chances are they won't play each other EVERY Christmas from here on out, especially if Shaq and Kobe are not around anymore. Dknights411 04:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

It won't neccesarly be EVERY Christmas, but for the new couple years it will most likely be. Besides being the most popular team for ESPN/TNT broadcasts(The Lakers that is), there's always the Shaq/Kobe factor, even if the feud was ended. --Freepablo 01:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

This christmas its lakers @ heat!

[edit] Forum vs. Great Western Forum

I know that the building is now known simply as "The Forum" or the "L.A. Forum", but it was known as the "Great Western Forum" when the Lakers were playing there. Shouldn't "Great Western Forum" be listed instead of "The Forum", if nothing else to distinguish the bulding from the Montreal Forum? Dknights411 23:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Before naming rights were sold to Great Western Savings & Loan in 1988, it was known informally as the "Fabulous Forum". I made a small change to reflect this. Gogh 20:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Since, as you note, it was know by that name only informally, it's a little misleading to note it that way in just a list of arenas with their actual official name. The Forum's own article talks about the "Fabulous" nickname. Mwelch 06:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough I suppose (though while informal, it was almost universal, and the Forum was almost never referred to in the media in relation to the Lakers (I'm not sure about the Kings) without the adjective "Fabulous", so it seems worth a mention somewhere here). However it is inaccurate to leave the impression that the Forum was known as "Great Western" for all of the period the Lakers were tenants, which is the implication in the previous version. I have made a minor modification.

Gogh 06:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The ubiquitousness of the use of "Fabulous" really only applied to the game broadcasts. Indeed during a game broadcast, you're right that you would pretty much always hear it. But outside of here in L.A., newscasters talking about the game afterward, generally didn't use it. And the print media, even here in L.A., definitely didn't typically use it. If you look at old L.A. Times articles about Laker games, for example, it usually is not there.
Fully agreed about specifying the dates for "Great Western", though. Mwelch 08:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I accept the judgement that "Fabulous" was not part of the official name, but can't help pointing out for the record that the adjective was often used by local television and radio sports anchors, as in "Tonight at the Fabulous Forum in Inglewood, the Lakers again trounced the Celtics...". I will grant that it probably was not much used in newspaper reports. If it were not for the now common phenomenon of official naming rights for sports venues, I would argue the point more strongly, because in the day for all practical purposes I believe the Forum was known as Fabulous. But since it was not part of some official, paid-for name, including it here would leave an incorrect impression.

Gogh 06:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MVP

Kobe Bryant is MVP!! He deserves it, 35-6-5. Last time that happened, it was Jordan. They will win the championship next year realistically, if not this year. Forget Lebron, Carmelo, Nowitzki, maybe even Nash, everyone fails to comparison with Kobe.

Heh. Lakers 05:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean-up

As a long-time Laker fan, I found and read the article with earnest. However, the majority of the article is filled with poor grammar and awkward sentences. The article definitely needs to be cleaned-up to meet the standards of Wikipedia as well as the Los Angeles Lakers. I marked the article at the point that I felt needed the most editing. Jsol5 00:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks like someone did some major cleaning of this article. Bravo. --Jsol5 09:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

There is still substantial refining to be done here, but I did what I could. My edits are really too numerous to list; compare with the previous version to see them. -- Padjet1 21:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)



In the section of notable lakers, why isn't kobe byrant's name there? he has the laker record for most points in a game and can't be considered a notable laker? Oh, but you consider eddie jones to be one?

Because he's currently on the team. That section is for players who used to be on the Lakers but aren't anymore. howcheng {chat} 16:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KCAL

The line about KCAL needs to be fixed for factual accuracy. They air every Laker road game that they are able to. They do not air Laker road games pre-empted by national television. --PK9 03:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Game Songs

What songs are played during the game by the Lakers?

_Magic Johnson V.S. Larry Bird (1980's) ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ One of the best rivalries of all time.Celtics and the Lakers,which dominated the NBA for five years.

[edit] Bob Harrison

Please fix Special:Whatlinkshere/Bob Harrison. -- Newhoggy | Talk 12:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charge Theme

What is the history of the charge theme being played only at the start of every quarter?

[edit] Celebrity fan list redux

I guess upon further consideration, the tone of the comment within the article source saying not to add more fans to the list does perhaps come across as a bit of a unilateral mandate. Obviously, the way to operate here is by consensus, so let's go ahead and try to reach one.

If other editors agree that the list shouldn't be lengthened further, then we can amend to the comment within the source to refer to this discussion item as evidence of consensus on the point. If other editors disagree, then we should remove the comment altogether and indeed allow the list to grow as each user sees fit to add whom they please.

So would any other editors care to offer their opinion in that regard? Do you all agree that the list is long enough as it is (if not too long even)? Or do people feel the article would in fact be improved by continuing to add names to that list? Mwelch 23:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I know in other team articles in other sports, the "notable fans" sections have been eliminated, but IMHO the Lakers are a special case (along possibly with the Knicks) where the celebrity fans are usually highlighted during the TV broadcasts. I think it should be limited to those who are seen at the games often, such as Jack, Dyan, and Denzel. We don't need to know everyone who's a fan, and for some reason there's a lot of discussion about the Red Hot Chili Peppers in this section too. howcheng {chat} 00:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Just as a follow up on the last point, specifically, I think the RHCP stuff is borderline. But at the same time, since that's not really music I personally listen to, I'm guessing they might be a little bit "bigger" celebrities to others than they are to me. And certainly I can see the argument that if their fandom is high-profile enough that one of the members is invited to blog about it on the official web site of the NBA, there is some notability in that.
With you all the way, though, on the points about the Lakers and Knicks being special cases, more worthy of mentioning celeb fans than other franchises, but that having some ridiculously long list naming such celeb fans is not desirable. Mwelch 00:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Los Angeles Lakers' Band

Could someone include information on the Los Angeles Lakers' Band? I believe they're the only team in the NBA that has a band that plays at Staples Center during the games. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.251.232.168 (talk) 21:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC).

Hi, some information or a directory would help us. Lakers 05:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)