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[edit] Coat of arms

Is the picture which has been there an official one? I wonder why it has been removed so many times. Best regards Rhanyeia♥♫ 20:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The picture there is the only coat of arms which Loriga has. Here are some links where you can see for yourself the coat of arms used by Loriga's administrative and representative institutions such as:[1] - District of Guarda fire corporations' flags, [2] - Loriga’s Firefighter company flag,[3] - Town administration document (Junta de Freguesia), [4] - Parishes' newspaper, [5] - Loriga's Formal Opinion Movement (a small association which criticizes the town current policy by pointing alternatives).
Septrya (talk) 20:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the links. But what is this website and why does it use a different picture? Also in English: [6] and [7]. Best regards Rhanyeia♥♫ 09:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Those sites in English? You are truly kind :).
That msn-image may misled one to think that one is looking at some real symbol due to the detailed explanation text and compulsive use of the drawing in his pages but it’s not. The only coat of arms that Loriga has it’s the one displayed in the article. That website is owned by the person behind the IP that vandalizes this article. The "IP" is a well known POV pusher that has been around for years. Those web pages have been considered non-reliable sources because they show his opinions of facts instead of describing them as they were, with numerous orthographic mistakes even in Portuguese simple words, showing a visible lack of knowledge when it comes to take conclusions of history documented facts, etc. Kind regards. Septrya (talk) 07:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Interesting. The pictures you linked look all approximately like the one in the article (btw in the fourth link I didn't see a picture), and although there are some minor differences between some of them I guess that's not what this is about. Best regards Rhanyeia♥♫ 19:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
My mistake. Sorry about it. The 4th. link is already corrected. Septrya (talk) 05:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The coat of arms shown in the wikipédia, and abusively for some entities, is illegal and not official, fact that can easily be confirmed next to the legal entities! A lie not becomes truth alone because stubbornly it is kept! This in case that it is a shame for Loriga, and the wikipédia is to be used for that if they refuse to fulfill the laws that conduct the Portuguese Heraldry!

Ricky —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.24.106 (talk) 22:57, 20 March 2008

Septrya has brought here many links which show that this coat of arms is being used, so you would need to find sources for what you say, either published by the Loriga town, or articles or research with a reliable publisher which talk about Loriga's coat of arms. Best regards Rhanyeia♥♫ 07:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

IS TRUTH!THE COAT OF ARMS SHOWN IN THE WIKIPEDIA IS ILLEGAL AND NOT OFFICIAL,AND THE WIKIPEDIA IS TO BE USED!IS A SHAME FOR LORIGA AND THE WIKIPEDIA!!!! Jose Galvão - Loriga,Portugal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.22.179.188 (talk) 16:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

How are these coats of arms made official in Portugal? Does the town decide it by itself, or does the district or state make them official, or something else? Best regards Rhanyeia♥♫ 17:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I’m going to summarize the process nowadays. The proposal of a CoA can be made by anyone, must be based on the verified history of that place (whether it’s a rural locality, a village or a big city) and must follow the rules of the Portuguese heraldry (shape, colors, motif, etc).
That same proposal must pass 3 steps to become a legal CoA: to be approved by the Heraldry Commission along with the Portuguese Archeologists Association, it must be accepted by the local administration authority (in Loriga is the Junta de Freguesia by its Assembly) and last, it has to be published in the Diário da República. Septrya (talk) 08:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
And the picture in the article has gone through the process in the past and has been published by it? Best regards Rhanyeia♥♫ 16:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
No because, at the time, it wasn't necessary. This CoA was made before Loriga's local authorities began the process to raise Loriga to the administration status of village. It went with all documentation, has its CoA, which was approved in 1989 by the Portuguese Government and therefore legal. The CoA wasn't published because it wasn't a requisite then. By today standards, half CoA doesn’t comply with the heraldry rules, which would make it illegal if it hadn't been already approved. Septrya (talk) 01:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)