Talk:Lord Lieutenant of Dumfries

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[edit] Dumfries or Dumfries and Galloway

The article on Charles St Clair, 17th Lord Sinclair says:

In 1969 Lord Sinclair was appointed a Deputy Lieutenant of the Stewartry of Kirkcudbright. Due to the replacement of Scottish counties by regions and districts in the mid 1970s this became a deputy lieutenancy in the Dumfries and Galloway Region (District of Stewartry). In 1977 Lord Sinclair was made Vice-Lord-Lieutenant for the same district, and became Lord Lieutenant in 1982, a position he held until 1989.

I read this as meaning that the 1982 appointment was as Lord Lieutenant of Dumfries and Galloway, but according to Lieutenancy areas of Scotland, there is no such lieutenancy area. However, the footnotes references on Lord Sinclair seem to back up the assertion in this article (see [1]) ... but the The Lord-Lieutenants (Scotland) Order 1996 specifically refers to a Dumfries Lieutenancy (rather than Dumfries and Galloway).

I am inclined to suspect that the The Lord-Lieutenants Order 1975 (1975 No. 428), which is not online, created a Dumfries+Galloway Lieutenancy, which was abolished in 1996. But that's only a guess: does anyone have better sources? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm over my head here, but looking at the text of the Gazette, Lord Sinclair was appointed Lord-Lieutenant for "Dumfries and Galloway Region (District of Stewartry)". I would interpret that as meaning that his authority extended only over the District of Stewartry, not all of Dumfries and Galloway; Stewartry seems more or less to correspond with The Stewartry of Kirkcudbright, for whom there was a Lord Lieutenant of Kirkcudbright, for whom we have a lacuna before 1989. I haven't at the moment turned up the appointment of Sir Michael Herries, but I notice that Major Edward Stuart Orr-Ewing, whom we list as a Lord Lieutenant of Wigtown, is in the Gazette said to be Lord-Lieutenant for "Dumfries and Galloway Region (District of Wigtown)". So it appears that at some point (1975?) the Lord-Lieutenancies of various locales within Dumfries and Galloway were renamed to the form "Dumfries and Galloway (District of ...)", perhaps with minor boundary changes. They should probably be treated as continuous of the original Lord Lieutenancies of Kirkcudbright, Wigtown, etc. Choess 14:10, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
At the end of Lord Lieutenant#The Twentieth Century it says
In 1975 counties ceased to be used for local government purposes in Scotland. The Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973 replaced the counties with regions, and each region was to have one or more lord-lieutenants appointed.[9] The areas to which they were appointed approximated to the counties and were based and were defined in terms of the new local government districts.
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In 1996 Scottish regions and districts were abolished on further local government reorganisation, and since that date lord-lieutenants have been appointed to lieutenancy areas.[10]
Stewartry was one of the four Districts of the Dumfries and Galloway Region established by the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973. Sinclair was thus the Lord-Lieutenant for the District, not the Region. The Lord Lieutenants Order of 1975 was revoked in Schedule 3 of The Local Government (Transitional and Consequential Provisions and Revocations) (Scotland) Order 1996 Statutory Instrument 1996 No. 739 (S.72). I imagine that Lieutenancy areas of Scotland refers to the current (post-1996) situation. I note in passing that the references given in the Charles Sinclair article will of course support the claims I made in quoted passage because that's where I got the information from in the first place (verifiability and all that) :) Dr pda 16:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)