Talk:Long Valley Caldera

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Contents 1 Assessment notes 2 confusion over name 3 Plagiarism? 4 Glass Mountain 5 City of caldera

[edit] Assessment notes

this is a strong start class article. it is well written, stable, good NPOV, good images. to reach B Class it needs:

• primarily more breadth. we need sections on ecology and history, possibly climate and "practical aspects of hiking and viewing" (not just geologic history which there is already plenty). A "B class" article definitely requires breadth. the geology material is good.
• preferably in line note references
• it should have some sort of heading style organization. while the writing is good, it just seems to ramble on sithout structure. Anlace 21:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. This is a patch of desert about 20 miles long: its primary interest is from a geological point of view. From an historical and ecological viewpoint, it is really part of Owens Valley (the most interesting thing that happened was the construction of the Los Angeles Aqueduct through it, and the creation of Lake Crowley). It seems extremely redundant to repeat history and ecology for every geological feature.

We can certainly add headers, that would be easy. The article is quite old, so the inline references would be difficult to reconstruct. hike395 22:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

hi again. thanks for the sppedy reply. i amended my prior comments at the same time you were replying, so note i have suggested material on climate and "practical aspects of hiking and viewing". These other sections need not be long, but they should give the reader a flavor. remember "B class" is defined as usable to the general reader. many people will find this article who have little interest in geology, but may be serious hikers or biologists or just want to get the overall feeling of this feature. i think the headers are a good starting place for you in any case. dont sweat the in-line refs. that isnt so important as the breadth issue. best regards. Anlace 22:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] confusion over name

REVERT ; Please read an article before you make such changes - Long Valley is NOT a city in California, it is a geographic feature, and therefore no comman is needed and is in fact misleading

Maveric, I read the article. Then I did a google search on "Long Valley California" and found a bunch of pages that actually contained "Long Valley, California."

Now, this means one of two things:

1. My first suspicion, that "Long Valley" is the name of a geographical feature in California, was correct.
2. The sites that came up on a google search were incorrect, and the name of the geographical feature is actually "Long Valley California", occasionally shortened to "Long Valley". This seems unlikely to me, but if I am wrong, please correct me.

I wouldn't consider "San Joaquin Valley California" or "Death Valley California" or "Central Valley California" to be correct, either. I would put commas in all of those, even though they're not cities. Cities don't enter into it; one thing being inside another is the issue at hand. -- Brion VIBBER

Fair enough. --maveric149

Hey Brion, how did you do such a perfect resize of the image? Can the Gimp do that? --maveric149

Yes -- but you have to remember to switch the image mode from indexed to RGB before you resize, or it doesn't interpolate. Brion VIBBER, Monday, April 1, 2002

Very cool, thanx -maveric149 --- Is this USGS schematic of any use? http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/f/f3/Schematic_long_valley_caldera-small.gif It's an "unused image" Image:Schematic_long_valley_caldera-small.gif Its also a .png format. Wetman 23:44, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC) , too ignorant to help...

[edit] Plagiarism?

Is it okay that almost the entire "Recent Geology" section is lifted word-for-word from this site? 68.8.108.62 06:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

It's OK, because the USGS material is public domain (and marked in the reference section). Should have inline citations, though, I will add. hike395 21:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Should the copyright violation tag be removed now? Eeekster (talk) 22:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that, guys. I was sort of shocked the other day, doing my research paper, to discover it was word-for-word what the USGS site said. I can't believe that's actually allowed! I removed the tag. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 04:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

In general works done by the fedoral government are not subject to copyright. After all we pay for them! Eeekster (talk) 07:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Let's not confuse the issue of copyright with plagiarism. Even items in the public domain can be plagiarized. If something is lifted word-for-word, it must include quotation marks, and not simply a citation, although that must be included as well. The best thing, of course, is to not lift anything word-for-word unless necessary or appropriate, and do a little original writing. Tmangray (talk) 04:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I've seen somewhere a template for saying that text was lifted directly from a certain encyclopedia...surely this is a customizable template that could be used here? Anyone familiar with such a template? Bob the Wikipedian (talk) 20:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Found it; adding it to the bottom of the page. Bob the Wikipedian (talk) 20:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Glass Mountain

There is currently a wiki link to an article entitled "Glass Mountain," which happens to be some random band with no obvious relation whatsoever to anything even vaguely related to the Long Valley Caldera. Since Glass Mountain is a) not highly integral to the article, and b) the link to "Glass Mountain" is pointless in the context of the article, I propose that someone should unlink it, or link to an article on something actually (at least tangentially) relevant such as obsidian flows, etc...

Excuse me, I was incorrect. It's actually an album. My point stands.

I've delinked it. We link to obsidian straight after it's mentioned, which is probably enough. -- Avenue 09:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] City of caldera

is this big lovely thing holding a town/city? Because Im looking at this thing from an airel point and it seem to have isolated large buildings and little communitys in it! If there is....WHY ISNT IT ILLEGAL?! --Lolichan4u 17:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)