Talk:Long Island Iced Tea
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There seems to be a lot of evidence that this drink was actually invented in the 1970s at the Oak Beach Inn (OBI). Check Google.
I'd like to see any evidence that the OBI was located at any time in its history in HAMPTON BAYS. To the best of my recollection, OAK BEACH INN was on the Ocean side of Ocean Parkway, on -- I assume -- Oak Beach, just west of the Robert Moses Bridge. Hampton Bays is much further to the east of both. Perhaps the author is confusing the OBI with the CANOE PLACE INN which was in fact located in HAMPTON BAYS?
- A real Long Island Iced Tea does not have tequila in it, by the way.
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[edit] Taste like tea?
"The drink also shares a similar taste to tea."
C'mon! If a long island ice tea tastes like tea to you, then you have either been drinking bad tea or bad long islands.
Also, to me, a LIIT needs tequila and the cola must be Coca-Cola. Pepsi just doesn't have the complexity. 58.107.87.183 09:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I've reworded the tastes like tea bit, to make it a little more NPOV. 58.107.87.183 09:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
i think it tastes like artificially sweetened tea beverage ie: nestea or something like that 71.79.89.211 23:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I will be happy to clear up any misconseptions about the LIIT. I was there.(Dabigw 03:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC))
- "I was there" isn't a reference. The information you continue inserting is unverifiable by anyone else. This is why I keep removing it. Putting it up there and hanging a "citation needed" tag isn't valid, either. Provide proof from a reliable source and hey, great, it's verified and I can leave it alone. fethers 17:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Dear Feathers- Please excuse me. I'm not sure how to correctly have a discussion with you. I certainly am not proficient at using Wilipedia. You seem to be an expert. This is my first experience being directly involved with Wikipedia. I certainly don't want to yell at you. This is the 30th anniversary of what I believe to be the origin of the Long Island Ice tea. Because another bartender from OBI got his name in print doesn't make his the only verifiable story. It hasn't been easy staying quiet these many years. At this point in my life I figured the truth as I know it should be discussed. If in fact there is verifiable proof that the Long Island Ice Tea existed before 77-78 I will back down and call it a coincidence. Is the reason you keep pulling the story from Wikepedia because you have first hand knowledge? Dabigw 19:57, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Welcome to Wikipedia Dabigw. From what I can tell, Fethers is not removing any content due to his first hand knowledge, but due the fact that the claims are unverified. Check out that link to see what the burden of proof is on Wikipedia. Your contributions are certainly welcome, but they must be verifiable by reliable, third party sources - no original research. If you've got a source, check out WP:CITE for how to write citations. --skew-t 02:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Wow strange debate, it is called Long Island Ice Tea because it tastes like very sweet ice tea made from a mix served in cheap bars and diners, it is also often served in the same glass as ice tea is served to enhance the illusion. I agree it tastes nothing like real tea, so whatGeo8rge (talk) 22:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Origins
There is mention of the possible origins in the article, and a link at the bottom. Someone needs to link these two as a citation. 58.107.87.183 09:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
... I imagine people that remove information without fixing what they feel is a problem is a common practice on Wikipedia. I have studied the origins of Long Island Iced Tea for many years because I grew up adjacent to the tiny community of Long Island in Kingsport, Tennessee where this cocktail was invented by Charles Bishop in the 1920's, passed along to his son Ransom and took mainstream in the 1940's. The people of Long Island, Tennessee simply called it Ransom's Tea - and they had a great time with Teatotalers. What puzzles me is that people don't want to know the truth about anything. The almost always believe what they are told to believe. I write a book about the community of Long Island - whoop - a -dee - do, it's about common people. It's about "The Man" not giving the little guy his say. It's about the birth and origin of Long Island Iced Tea. I only want the story preserved. I could care less about Pecuniary gain. The fact that these crooked "by the book" Wiki-experts believe they know everything but consistently bash and take away good information based on their opinion is beyond me. This is one reason people get disenchanted with Wikipedia - because these so-called experts know very little about truth - only what they are told to believe and think. (UnderstandingApples (talk) 16:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC))
This just showed up on Gawker, http://gawker.com/373107/the-liquor-ad-that-only-gays-were-supposed-to-see. doubt it can be verified obviously, but does it deserve mention at least as a possible origin?
May I make a contribution to oral history before it's totally forgotten? Since it doesn't turn up on Google, I may be the last repository of this knowledge. What we know as the Long Island Ice Tea began its life as the Fire Island Ice Tea. It was created at Fire Island Pines at the Blue Whale in the 1970s and served during tea dance. AFter a short period of time mainland kids discovered that it was a damned fine date rape concoction and began turning up, not exactly welcome, at the tea dance. And they began falling into the harbor and blocking the ferry, which was driven by a friend of mine at the time. I also was around in those days, idly and without compensation helping deliver the Sunday Times to Calvin Klein and Tommy Tune. Amazingly, ferry captains and their dissolute friends like the drink too. Anyway, the Pines bartenders stopped serving it, and the drink migrated across the Bay and was picked up by mainland LI bartenders, who renamed it to eliminate the gay connection. Over the past few years some gay drink mixers have been doing a variant of the Long Island Ice Tea and calling it the Fire Island Ice Tea. No, Mary, not quite. Other way around.
76.14.65.190 (talk) 22:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I see the following problems with the Long Island (Tennessee) origin:
- The Long Island (Tennessee) connection seems impossible as the island was a chemical factory since the '20s.
- As far as I can find there are no hills on Long Island (Tennessee), as the story states.
- The drink described seems to be moonshine, maple syrup, coke and lemon(I assume), which is not a LIIT.
- I doubt that during prohibition it was possible to get all 5 liquor ingredients, in white form, in the 'hills' of Long Island (Tennessee)
- In the south they use the term sweet tea not ice tea. I admit in the 1930's in TN it might be ice tea.
- The story goes "Tennessee remained a "dry" state up until late 1970s" but Jack Daniels resumed production in 1939.
- While it is possible that barmen attempted to disguise an alchoholic beverage as ice tea, it does not seem practicle for a bootlegger as it would mean transporting diluted booze. The economics do not work.
- During prohibition it would have been hard to get all 5 liquors together in one place except for very high end places where the drink would surely have gotten publicity. Also The drink would have likely have appeared openly in Canada and Cuba, which did not have prohibition.
- The WP entry may be a publicity stunt by the author or publisher of the 'apples' book, or a misguided fan..
I personally think the entry should be deleted or mentioned as a footnote, or as LIIT in popular culture. It seems like a really bogus story to me.Geo8rge (talk) 11:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
"Fire Island Ice Tea" is also most likely a fable. I see it mentioned in all the net exactly once. Geo8rge (talk) 23:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
If the history is traced to the Oak Beach Inn, Babylon, New York, I believe it is based upon a concoction I created at a cast party at my house in the spring of 1974. I was a senior at the West Islip High School, we had just finished put on MacBeth at the school. I had the cast party at my house. One of the girls at the party asked for a different type of drink, so I mixed four liquors together, add a teaspoon of sugar and the Cocoa Cola for color. It was a big hit.
It would not supprise me if that girl, after graduating college, came back to the Oak Beach Inn, and asked the bartender to make up the drink. I cannot remember her name, I would have to go to the year book to see if I can remember who it was. The Inn was a local bar to West Islip as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.39.245.254 (talk) 15:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Variations
I removed the out-of-control section about variations on the LIIT theme. There was no verification that these drinks are in widespread use. Also, when an explanation sounds like "this is substituted for this, and this other stuff is substituted for this other thing..." then we're talking about an entirely different drink, not just a variation. Joyous! | Talk 14:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge: Hamptons Iced Tea
I added a mergefrom tag for the article Hamptons Iced Tea. To me, this reads like a slight variation on the LIIT, but I don't know a lot about drink mixing, so please correct me! kateshortforbob 11:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism?
As can be seen in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Long_Island_Iced_Tea&diff=170009508&oldid=167934042 tequila was removed from the receipe which can't be correct? I'm not sure enough to revert this. --130.208.147.148 21:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
- Vandalism indeed. Tequila is listed in the IBA recipe, which the infobox references. Reverted. --skew-t 11:16, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] My Favorite Drink
The industry recipe is: Vodka, Tequila, Rum, Gin, and Triple Sec. Caveat: All Clear. After the standard 1 oz. pour of all liquors, add sour mix and coca cola. See The Cheeseake Factory's menu for more industry standard drinks. InvisibleDiplomat (talk) 15:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
