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Contents 1 Deprivation 2 Shoreditch 3 Local Landmarks 4 Twin towns 5 How to write about places 5.1 Demographics 6 demographics are impossible

[edit] Deprivation

The article states; "This borough is also the most deprived borough of London and further yet, the most deprived area in the United Kingdom." I added the comma here because it didn't seem to read very well.

More to the point, this is a very subjective statement. Is there any supporting evidence, maybe unemployment, crime and one parent family figures can be used as indicators of poverty. Although I am not to sure about deprivation. Are we sure that Tower Hamlets does not have the necessities of life at hand in it? Are we sure we should be calling it deprived and not impoverished? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.20.82 (talk) 11:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not changed to the second most deprived in London and third most in the UK (although the reference I've provided only actually covers England). Newham, Tower Hamlets and Hackney seem to be competing to be the most deprived borough. PoisonedPigeon (talk) 09:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shoreditch

Shoreditch is part of the London Borough of Hackney, not LB Tower Hamlets. The Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 scale Explorer Map sheet 173 shows the boundary between Tower Hamlets and Hackney / Shoreditch east of Shoreditch High Street. Moreover the Wikepedia entry for LB Hackney correctly claims Shoreditch as part of it.

Shoreditch tube station is in LB Tower Hamlets may be the source of the confusion. Some might argue Shoreditch straddles the boundaries of LB Hackney & LB Tower Hamlets although of course the Metropolitan Borough of Shoreditch became part of LB Hackney only. Shoreditch is at the point where 5 postcodes meet: EC2, EC1, N1, E1 & E2 which also confuses its location. MRSC 20:35, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It is yet another East End muddle. I have only just realised that St Leonard's (Shoreditch) parish church (as in 'When I grow rich, said the bells of Shoreditch') is actually in Tower Hamlets, not Hackney. Will amend the Shoreditch district entry to reflect this shortly (districts are allowed to be a mess.) Tarquin Binary 19:43, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

The borough boundaries and postal districts are a real muddle there. As far as I can see Hackney makes a little detour to include the church and the E1 postcode forms an odd shaped protrusion to include all of Shoreditch High Street. MRSC 20:03, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Just remembered this discussion. Yeah, you're right. My muddle is due to a Hackney council map that unaccountably relinquishes St Leonard's to TH. Tarquin Binary 14:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Local Landmarks

Does every tall building in the docklands really count as a "local landmark"? JPD (talk) 19:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd say so. You can see them all from miles away and we list all the City of London ones and they are all in a reasonably confined space. I notice some are redirects so I'll fix that. MRSC 20:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd say listing the two City of London ones as "sights" is slightly different. At any rate, the fact that they are all in a reasonably confined space is the reason why I think of them more as a landmark together, with 1 Canada Square as a focal point, rather than each being a separate landmark. JPD (talk) 10:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Twin towns

This article lists two twin towns. Is this correct? Tower Hamlets official website says "Tower Hamlets does not currently participate in a town twinning scheme." --David Edgar 16:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

You've cited a verifiable and reliable reference - whereas the article does not. I'm removing the reference to twin towns from the article. Cosmopolitancats 14:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How to write about places

Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements provides guidance on how to improve this article. In a nutshell, there are quite a few issues which have not been addressed at all. In summary, the suggested headings for sections are as follows:

   * Geography and administration
   * History 
   * Landmarks
   * Demographics
   * Economics
   * Places of Interest
   * Culture
   * Present Day (Communal facilities, Transport, Education, Industry & Commerce, Sport)
   * Notable Residents (ie people who meet the criteria of Wikipedia:Notability (people)

On this basis, a lot needs to be done to improve this article. I'm happy to get it started using this abovementioned recommended guideline if others will chip in around individual sections.

Click the link to the guide to see more details about what sort of things should be included in each action Cosmopolitancats 14:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Demographics

Can whoever included the demographic data go back and identify the sources of the data for each stat and the comparative data comments

One of the sentences relating to the percentage of islamic muslims was confusing and was unsourced and has been deleted. Can we use the correct terminology from the census data - once that has been identified.

Given some of the extremes might this be better presented in a table with the ranking figure? What do people think?

No mention as yet of deprivation indices which need to be included. Cosmopolitancats 15:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] demographics are impossible

The numbers add up to about 140%.I will go and attempt to modify them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Raspberrysnapple (talk • contribs) 21:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

Adding up to 140% is only a problem if there is no overlap in the categories. The Welsh and Scottish would probably object to your classification of the White British category as "English". JPD (talk) 09:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)