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Wimbledon and Sutton Railway

As nothing else has been suggested, I propose the Wimbledon and Sutton Railway article. It is a recent new article covering the gestation and construction of one of the last railway lines to be built in London and which almost became part of the District and Northern Lines. I declare an interest as I wrote it.DavidCane 01:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Support
  1. A good historical article which illustrates the history of London's railway network. Tbo 157talk 18:35, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Comments
  • Done

A1 road (London)

Reason for nomination
A bit of a CoI here since I wrote about 75% of this one (the edit history makes it look like I wrote almost 100%, but that's because much of the history is at the pages for individual streets now merged into this article), so while I'll nominate it I won't actually vote as I'm obviously biased. IMO this would be a good one, as well as untraditional (we cover buses and trains all the time, but sometimes seem to lose sight of the significance of the historic roads, and the Great North Road's the most historic of them all). It's currently an uncontested Good Article (and would probably pass as a FA with very little reworking). While it's long, it doesn't either slip into TL;DR territory at any point due to the way it's subdivided, nor veer off into irrelevancies. And for the purists out there, it does mention five railway stations! — iridescent (talk to me!) 15:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Support
Comments

St Pancras railway station

Do I need to give a reason? Probably the London transport system's most iconic building, and about to get major coverage as it becomes the Eurostar hub in November — iridescent (talk to me!) 19:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Support
  1. Strong support for November '07; weaker support for any other month for reasons above — iridescent (talk to me!) 19:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
  2. Super strong support. It is only Londons most spectacular Train Terminus and also a major underground hub. Unisouth 11:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support for November. Will be a spectacular new international terminal. Tbo 157(talk) (review) 18:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support - would be appropriate for the opening of the shiny new Eurostar terminal next month. Andrew (My talk) 09:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Comments

7 July 2005 London bombings

One of the most notable events ever to take place on the LT system, and a different approach to the theme of "LT-related article" than the typical "description of infrastructure" article — iridescent (talk to me!) 19:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Support
  1. Support as nom for reason above — iridescent (talk to me!) 19:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Object
  1. I do not like the sound of this being a selected article as people would rather forget it. It did take me over 6 months before I could step foot on a circle line train. Also in memory of those people who died it should be forgoten. Unisouth 11:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Comments

*You might as well add this as no objections. Also provide an intro on the matter. Simply south 22:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC) I didn't realise this month's had already been put up. Simply south 13:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Removed from voting page and archived due to objection above. Tbo 157(talk) 19:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

London Transport Museum

Although the article does need to be expanded more, the historic museum itself has just been refurbished and will open later this month.Tbo 157(talk) 19:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Support
  1. Support as nom. Tbo 157(talk) 19:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support as above Bluegoblin7
  3. Support - seems most appropriate at the present time. Simply south 21:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  4. Very conditional support, conditional on someone doing a big expansion - take away the "the collection" section, and at the moment it's just a stub. At the moment, it's shorter than (for example) Putney Bridge tube station, and looks decidedly sorry when compared with some of the other London museum articles. (Compare it with National Railway Museum for an idea of what it ought to look like, IMO.) I'll try to expand it if noone else does, but it won't be any time soon. — iridescent 01:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Comments
  • Done

City & South London Railway

This article, of which I'm the author, is about the world's first deep tube line has just achieved Featured Article status. --DavidCane 00
26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Support
  1. Support as one of the (regrettably too few) LT-related articles that would genuinely be readable, understandable and of interest to a reader with no interest or knowledge of the subject who stumbled across it. (Although wasn't the Tower Subway the first tube railway?) — iridescent (talk to me!) 19:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
The Tower Subway was more little more than a box on rails pulled by a cable. It had few of the features of a true railway, ran for less than a third of a mile and lasted only three months before it was converted to pedestrian use.--DavidCane 01:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree - I don't see it as a true tube railway any more than a horse-and-wooden-track mining-cart tracks. I guarantee at least five people will make an identical point, though. — iridescent 01:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Comments
  • Done

Woolwich Ferry

While we've had roads, rail (under and over), and buses, we've yet to have a river service. Realistically, this is the only one that's in a fit state to warrant featuring, although I intend to expand the extremely sorry stub of Hammertons Ferry (London) at some point ("The ferry operates on the river", indeed!). While the "history" section needs some expanding - I would hope something of note has happened there since 1889! - this is certainly an adequate article as it stands. — iridescent 01:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Support
  1. Support as nom — iridescent 01:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Comments
  • Archived as the nominator striked out the nomination.

Thames Tunnel

I like this one; although not a particularly high-traffic article it's a well-written article about something of interest both to the hardcore trainspotter crowd, and the more general casual browser — iridescent 16:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Support
  1. Support as nom — iridescent 16:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. Supprt. This should definitely be a portal article and we should aim to improve this to at least a GA status by expanding it and improving the referencing.--DavidCane (talk) 18:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. Support! Safesler 21:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
  4. Support - an interesting article that many may not know much about. Regan123 (talk) 18:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Comments

Tower Bridge

You know we're going to have it one day... We may as well get it out of the way. — iridescent 16:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nom — iridescent 16:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. Support as nom - Bluegoblin7 17:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. Support as above. Tbo 157(talk) 19:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
  4. Support. Well done article. Safesler 20:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Comments

Metropolitan and Metropolitan District Railways

Theses railways were the railways which were to become the predecessors to the modern system of the London Underground. They formed what are now classed as the first underground railways. These railways were the main predecessors to the Metroplitan, Circle, District and Circle Lines, and possibly the East London Line. Simply south (talk) 20:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Support
  1. Simply south (talk) 20:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  2. BG7 14:45, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Comments

Johnston

The iconic Johnston typeface designed by Edward Johnston is worth a month in the spotlight as it has been in use for 95 years making it one of the Underground's most recognised design elements and it also influenced many later typefaces with the simplicity of its design. DavidCane (talk) 01:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Support
  1. As per nomination. DavidCane (talk) 01:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
  2. Ultra-Super-Duper-As-Large-And-Big-As-It-Can-Be-Support - BG7 01:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Comments

Fairlop Loop

The Fairlop Loop (now forming the bulk of the Hainault Loop on the Central line) has an interesting history. Built as pure speculation by the Great Eastern Railway at the turn of the 20th Century, with half a dozen impressively designed and constructed stations, it had a chequered history, with two station closures and re-openings, and a seventh station added by the London and North Eastern Railway by the late 1930s. Eventually it was transferred to London Transport in the late 1940s, save for the southern-most mile or so, which is now an abandoned alignment, but clues to its existence are apparent from many vantage-points between Newbury Park and Ilford. Sunil060902 (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Support
  1. As per nomination. Sunil060902 (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  2. Support. 24.19.151.95 (talk) 06:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose in it's current form; while there's a potentially good article buried within this one, there are too many "things to avoid" at the moment — over-reliance on a single source (the 24 references are misleading, as they're the same one repeated); the sprawling lists of service patterns and station opening dates; the absurdly large image galleries (not including the map, 34 images at present!) — iridescent 19:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Comments
  • Archived due to opposition

Selected image archive

Image:DLR Westferry aerial view.jpg

A nice aerial photo showing the Docklands Light Railway and giving a great view of Westferry and Poplar, including a historical church. It is currently used as part of the DLR article which is a GA. Simply south 17:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Support
  1. Nominator Simply south 17:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. A great picture showing the junction area of the DLR at Poplar. Tbo 157talk 00:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Comments
  • Done

Geographical London Underground maps

Image:London Underground full map.png , Image:London Underground Zone 1.svg or Image:London Underground Zone 2.svg which produce...

Image 1
Image 1
Image 2
Image 2
Image 3
Image 3

I am nominating these (or at least one of them) as they show more interestingly and relatively accurately the positions of the lines and stations in London and how they would appear geographically.

Support
  1. Support, as nom although any of 3. Simply south 20:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support, as per nom. Tbo 157talk 18:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support with a weak preference for image 1, as it shows more of the little quirks that make LU unique (the Northern Line being furthest south, the Fairlop loop etc). Although I don't like the way the river's treated, it makes it look like it starts in Brentford & disappears into a pipe somewhere round Silvertown (so that's what those big silver things are for!) — iridescent (talk to me!) 16:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Oppose
Comments
  • Not sure if anyone's in a position to edit these, but should any of these win, before it goes live would it be worth airbrushing Shoreditch out? — iridescent (talk to me!) 15:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Not quite sure. In some ways Shoreditch is still here. It has just been replaced by bus. Simply south 16:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Someone could write in that the station is now closed so that there is a record there that the station existed as it was open until fairly recently. Tbo 157(talk) (review) 16:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
  • The third image (Zone 2 map) is already on the Portal page.--DavidCane 23:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Done Tbo 157(talk) (review) 16:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Northern heights.png

I think this is a genuinely interesting picture, even if not the traditional pretty photo. Since the Diagram is probably the best-known London Transport image, we ought to focus more on it, and this kind of what-might-have-been slant on it might be more interesting to the casual reader who's familiar with the tube but not its history (as well as being free-use and not upsetting TfL's copyright department). It's currently used in the (previously) Selected Article "Northern Line" and my pet project, the current Good Article "A1 road (London)" — iridescent (talk to me!) 14:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Support

  1. Support as nom
  2. Support Andrew (My talk) 09:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

  1. Done. Tbo 157(talk) 20:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


Image:JollySailor.jpg

This is another not-your-typical-photo one that IMO deserves a wider audience; an 1845 illustration from Pictorial Times showing the experimental atmospheric railway pumping station (with its gothic chimney-spire) & station platforms at Jolly-Sailor Station (later renamed "Norwood", and since replaced by Norwood Junction nearby). It's used in five separate articles, four of which are directly LT related (Atmospheric railway, List of stations in London Borough of Croydon, London and Croydon Railway, Norwood Junction railway station and current Applied Science & Technology & WP:LONDON Good Article A215 road), and illustrates an aspect of London's transport history with which many people, even those with a good knowledge of transport history, will be unfamiliar — iridescent (talk to me!) 14:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Support

  1. Support as nom
  2. Support A very interesting historical image. Tbo 157(talk) 20:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

  1. Done


Image:The Circle Routes of Victorian London.png

On rifling through User:Davidcane/images, I'm retracting support for the Shepherd's Bush diagram and nominating this one instead, as I think it's of equally good design, but more interesting to the non-anorak reader with an interest in London history who stumbles across this portal. It might be especially interesting if someone with the right software and/or Rotring pens overlays it with the central section of Image:London overground future.png (pictured underneath), or the images are run side-by-side — iridescent (talk to me!) 12:20, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Support
  1. Support as nom — iridescent (talk to me!) 12:20, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support as per nom - Bluegoblin7 21:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Comments
  • Done

Image:Victoria Line train leaving depot.jpg

On a skim through the archive, I realise we've never actually had a picture of a train! Although I took this one so am possibly biased, this seems as good as any for a "representative" picture - a 1967 stock train leaving Northumberland Park Depot and about to enter the Victoria Line (sorry, I mean "line"). — iridescent 02:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Support
  1. As per nom — iridescent 02:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
  2. Bluegoblin7 18:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC) - I too think it's about time we had a train, and also the 1967 VL stock will soon be history - the next train to arrive in all platforms will be 2009 stock!
  3. Seems like solid reasoning to me. But really, I like the photo. It's chiefly London. Support.
  4. Support. It's a nicely framed photo showing how long tube trains actually can be, which is difficult to get the sense of when in a tunnel. Regan123 (talk) 18:16, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
  5. Support. A good photo showing A London tube train. Tbo 157(talk) 19:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Comments

Image:Red London Bus at Enfield Bus Station.jpg

Well, it's a bus... And as far as i'm aware we havnt had a bus... so im nominating this bus...Bluegoblin7 18:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nom... Bluegoblin7 18:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. Support seems as good a bus-view as any, and I'd rather have a current bus than a routemaster — iridescent 16:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. Support. Safesler 20:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  4. SupportOxyman42 (talk) 20:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Comments

Image:East Finchley Stn statue.JPG

As an alternative to the above, Eric Aumonier's iconic statue of the Archer at East Finchley tube station. DavidCane (talk) 01:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Support
  1. As per nomination. DavidCane (talk) 01:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
  2. I've always liked this one. For those who aren't aware, this is (theoretically) the official symbol of the Northern Line — iridescent 11:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
  3. The unofficial symbol of the Northern line. Tbo 157(talk) 18:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
  4. Great - really symoblises one of London's main features - The Underground! - BG7 14:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Comments

Image:Duck Tour boat beaching.JPG

Although it's (gasp) the evil that is A Tourist Bus, of all the ones I've taken this is my personal favourite, and — encompassing bus transport, river transport and road transport — certainly falls into our remit, quite aside from being the silliest mode of transport in London since Sinclair abandoned the C5. A "London Duck Tours" amphibious bus scrambling back onto dry land at Vauxhall — iridescent 16:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Support
  1. Support as nom — iridescent 16:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. You nicked my idea! Simply south (talk) 18:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. I will vote for this image instead as nominated. Unisouth (talk) 08:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
  4. Support. Safesler 06:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  5. Support - BG7 01:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Comments

Image:Alexandra Palace and station.jpg

I like this one, although it would need some explaining to anyone not familiar with defunct LNER suburban lines; the former Alexandra Palace station (and the grand staircase leading up from it), totally dwarfed by the palace itself — iridescent 02:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Supports
  1. Support as nom — iridescent 02:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Opposes
  1. Weakly though. I might have voted for this one but unfortunately for the tree in the way. Simply south (talk) 22:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
    Belated reply - I agree, but unfortunately Haringey Council have inconsiderately planted the trees in such a way that from any angle either the station or the palace is obscured. If I get the chance I'll re-take it while the leaves are dead, but am unlikely to be up that way any time soon. — iridescent 13:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Comments
  • Archived due to opposition