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[edit] Source Tracking
Hi. I made a homepage (loituma.extra.hu) with the links of remixes and flashes, indicating where I found them. Unfortunately I was unable to track the original locations of most of the links, only a few:
http://dojo.fi/~rancid/loituma__.swf (supposedly, see below)
http://swgalaxies.datastart.hu/modules/Videos/files/vader-loituma.swf (by hunnenkoenig) http://swgalaxies.datastart.hu/modules/Videos/files/tweener.swf (unsure, but probable)
http://loituma.uw.hu/loitumaamile.gif
http://www.netnebulo.hu/hagyma.swf http://www.netnebulo.hu/hagyma_diszko.swf http://www.netnebulo.hu/drunk_loituma.swf http://www.netnebulo.hu/loituma_clock.swf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnXueJR41Vk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuHWLMZp-dw
http://iaro.srv.hu/kep/lolituma.swf http://iaro.srv.hu/kep/wookie.swf http://iaro.srv.hu/kep/zodszar.swf
http://rapidshare.de/files/22663516/osszesloi.swf.html
http://volny.cz/ropucha_3000/hitlatuma.swf (unsure) http://usteam.hu/pictures/flash/pics/pokus8.swf (unsure)
Can somebody help in tracking the original sources? Thanks!
(Otherwise, Chuck Norrise watched it through. Twice. :) Frigo 18:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- Refer to WP:NOR.
I don't know if this [1] can be considered a reliable source, this is where hunnenkoenig, and the owner of iaro.srv.hu (and if I remember correctly, the owner of netnebulo.hu too) linked their animations first. Frigo 16:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
- That page dates from 24 April 2006, http://knd.org.uk/files/loituma__.swf was already linked by 20 April 2006 65.96.121.145 (talk) 23:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Moved from Article
"The 'Loituma Girl' is a small .swf file that consists of a looping animation of BLEACH character Orihime Inoue, coupled with the middle-eight portion of Ievan Polkka, a Finnish folk song. First appearing on the Internet in late April of 2006, the .swf animation quickly made the rounds of various message forums and became known as the 'Loituma Girl' when it was apparent that there was no proper name for the .swf file.
The folk song in the animation is played and sung by a Finnish quartet called Loituma, initally formed in 1987, from which the file gets its name."
skorpion 02:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reason for move
There was already a large section on the flash in the Ievan Polkka article. So I have imported that, added a "Main" template and put the old text here. ViridaeTalk 02:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- I've cleaned up the text a bit and (hopefully) made it a bit easier to read (I just added some paragraph breaks to separate different subjects and edited for clarity). DarkMasterBob 12:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Move Back
This doesn't deserve it's own article, similiarly if say a song was featured in a different media (for example; a soundtrack to a film or motif in a game), there wouldn't be a seperate article, usual practice would be list under usage of song in media. (14:38, 9 July 2006)
- I think that this article isn't about the song, it's about the internet meme which is separate. It deserves it's own article.
[edit] Origin
"The 'Loituma Girl' animation was originally created by an anonymous user of the image board 4chan, and posted on the site's flash board[3]. The animation is usually re-posted with the file name "loituma__.swf"."
Is there any proof or 4chan is trying to take credit again?
- 4chan is where I first saw it, and 4chan members frequently make little loops like this one. Wether it was there FIRST is a mystery, but I'm inclined to believe it to be true. Snarfies 16:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- And 4chan was NOT where I first saw it, and non-4chan members frequently make little loops like that one. http://www.stumbleupon.com/urlarchive/30/dojo.fi/~rancid/loituma__.swf has entries for it from Apr 22, so unless you can find proof on an earlier 4chan posting than that, I'm much more inclined to think that that is where it originates, and not 4chan.
- I remember seeing the original thread on 4chan that posted this. It was created by 4chan.
- Or maybe it was just reposted from elsewhere, like most stuff. You'll need more than that.
- 4chan is the widely accepted birth of this fad. Unless you can dig up some other birth place, then it's going to contine to be changed to 4chan.
- "Widely accepted" anywhere but 4chan? How about you get the creator to post here, then?
- Because you know full well that that would not be accepted either, as everyone else would just pipe in and say (s)he did not sign their work and can't prove they made it. 72.225.188.215 11:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- He would have the original, undistributed production files, and would also most likely have control of dojo.fi/~rancid, no? Easy enough to prove it with that.
- I think we should accept dojo.fi as the source, since it is the most widely linked, also, 4chan has no proof. Unless the creator says otherwise and he can prove it. Also, we shouldn't merge loituma girl with ievan polkka, since the latter is the song itself, while the former is the internet meme. Frigo 10:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- I reject that as being listed as the source on the same grounds that everyone else rejects 4chan being listed as the source. 72.225.188.215 11:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Your problem. dojo.fi is the de facto source, you can't prove otherwise, so go away. Frigo 20:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- As they say on 4chan, "NO U." The fact that a file is hosted in a place does not mean that it ORIGINATED there. I host a parody of this flash in some of my webspace (http://www.otakubell.com/Loituma_poolclosed.swf). That doesn't mean I made it, genius. I don't even know how to work Flash. Snarfies 00:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Your problem. dojo.fi is the de facto source, you can't prove otherwise, so go away. Frigo 20:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- I reject that as being listed as the source on the same grounds that everyone else rejects 4chan being listed as the source. 72.225.188.215 11:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Because you know full well that that would not be accepted either, as everyone else would just pipe in and say (s)he did not sign their work and can't prove they made it. 72.225.188.215 11:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- "Widely accepted" anywhere but 4chan? How about you get the creator to post here, then?
- 4chan is the widely accepted birth of this fad. Unless you can dig up some other birth place, then it's going to contine to be changed to 4chan.
- Or maybe it was just reposted from elsewhere, like most stuff. You'll need more than that.
- I remember seeing the original thread on 4chan that posted this. It was created by 4chan.
- And 4chan was NOT where I first saw it, and non-4chan members frequently make little loops like that one. http://www.stumbleupon.com/urlarchive/30/dojo.fi/~rancid/loituma__.swf has entries for it from Apr 22, so unless you can find proof on an earlier 4chan posting than that, I'm much more inclined to think that that is where it originates, and not 4chan.
Well, the answer is plain as day then. According to Wikipedia's helpful policy designed to guide us on exactly this kind of question, the article has to say that the origin of the cartoon is disputed and unknown because we have no verifiable source that says what its origin is. — Saxifrage ✎ 18:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yep. In fact, I've now cited a source that says "It took someone somewhere to mash up little Orihime and her spinning leek with Finnish music. That part of the story remains a mystery." Melchoir 03:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I've also read that this flash video originated after the appearance of meatspin.com. PLEASE DON'T visit that site -- it's a gay porno that features a, err, certain bodypart being repeated spun (a la Loituma Girl) to the song "You Spin Me Round." I can't verify the info, as I don't remember where I read it and I don't know if we can ever tell which website -- meatspin or leekspin -- came first. However, I think this is noteworthy. 209.59.43.252 05:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Meatspin came first. I would know, I hold the Leekspin domain, registered as a joke in reference to meatspin. Natedubya 07:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Negi, not leek
The vegetable is a Welsh onion, which is known as negi in Japan. It is definitely not a "leek". Negi is often mistranslated as leek. See Talk:Welsh onion and Talk:Leek. --163.139.215.193 14:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well, since most of the videos and other locations have called it a leek, I will try and stick a note somewhere that it is a mistranslation. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I sooo envy those who can tell the differences between a welsh onion and a leek looking at a 100x200 pixel cartoon!!! Man, do it look like a Welsh onion or a Leek??? Frigo 20:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- More likely is that the vegetable is named in the episode the image is taken from. — Saxifrage ✎ 21:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- I do not know which episode from Bleach it came from (there is a lot of them). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Verification and notability
For those of you who were worried that there was no verification of this meme's notability, PRI just today ran a short segment on it. I've cited the transcript a few times; hopefully that puts all fears to rest! Melchoir 03:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Yet another version
http://www.netnebulo.hu/loituma_clock.swf
This one is a clock that reads your computer's system time and positions the hands to match.
[edit] Why is it popular joke in Serbia?
In this song there is clearly a part which says put it in your ass in Serbian language. That is quite funny, concidering the fact that girl has a big leek in her hand.
Exactly what part of it says this? 71.194.136.20 03:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- The part that goes (copy/paste it in Microsoft Sam, or another text-to-speech software) "goorney gah ooh doopeh"91.150.110.3 12:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Which Bleach episode?
Anyone know which Bleach episode the animation frames were taken from? It's been driving me nuts.
- Episode 2. It's like, the first thing she ever does in the series. --tjstrf 05:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Spoof
I read on this article (a while back, now the revision is lost) that it was a parody of meatspin.com, which seems logical, as what the article said about Meatspin was closely resemblant to this (the timer, the spinning, the loop, etc.) Meatspin is down, but still...mayhaps Meatspin was a spoof of Leekspin? ~ Flameviper 16:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- It's possible. Without a reliable source that says so, though, it would just be speculation that shouldn't be included in the article. — Saxifrage ✎ 22:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think so. Loituma became popular around april or may 2006. To my knowledge meatspin is older than that so it can't be a spoof of Loituma Girl. Also, I don't think leekspin.com is a parody/spoof/fake shock site of meatspin, I think it's only a coincidence (anyway, its owner is always spamming its stupid link on virtually all language editions of wikipedia) Frigo 17:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
- Leekspin is definately a spoof of Meatspin. And I can't claim credit for spamming the link; I think someone else might be bored. Natedubya 07:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] ... uproar in the internet community
"In August 2006 German ringtone provider Jamba! began selling a collection of media based on the animation, which caused some uproar in the internet community.[citation needed]" I won't represent an international view, but may show the citations in russian internet community: [[2]], [[3]], [[4]]. I think that should be enough to remove the "citation needed" markup though may be insufficient to use these links in the article, as the articles are in Russian. Honeyman 22:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, unfortunately non-English sources are weak in the English encyclopedia. Might there be an English source that talks about the uproar in the Russian internet community? — Saxifrage ✎ 16:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Another ringtone ripoff
There are currently ringtone ads in Belgium (and maybe other Benelux countries) featuring a rather poorly drawn imitation of the original Loituma Girl animation, but with the usual audio.--Caustic Armadillo 16:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
- I added a references to the video of the one being played in The Netherlands, which I suspect is the same. I could not find the content on either the Jamba or Ringtoneking ('competing' companies but in reality both owned by the same parent company) websites - so the video is one that has been captured and placed on YouTube. I suspect that content will disappear easily with time. I'm not sure about the copyright limitations in this case, but if an image for illustrative/comparison purposes to the original is 'fair use', somebody feel free to take a still of the capture and add it to the article. 83.84.36.96 14:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'm confused, for those ringtone company thingies, did they break the copyright of Shonen Jump and Loituma? Did they get permission? Did they get it from YouTube?The ConundrumerTC 05:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well, an editor removed the reference citing copyright violations - I agree that the very article discusses something that -is- a clear copyright violation of both a piece of animation from an Anime, and from a song. Whatever. I've now added a reference to an ad that uses the same western image (sorry, not animated) from the provider itself - so it's clearly fair to link to it as the only copyright they would violate would be their own. ZeBoxx 18:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- The original cartoon meme isn't a copyright violation; both the song and the 4 frames of animation are clear fair use, even ignoring parody law. However, once commercialized, they are no longer fair use, which leads me to suspect the company either is paying royalties or is just ignoring copyright law. —Dark•Shikari[T] 04:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, an editor removed the reference citing copyright violations - I agree that the very article discusses something that -is- a clear copyright violation of both a piece of animation from an Anime, and from a song. Whatever. I've now added a reference to an ad that uses the same western image (sorry, not animated) from the provider itself - so it's clearly fair to link to it as the only copyright they would violate would be their own. ZeBoxx 18:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm confused, for those ringtone company thingies, did they break the copyright of Shonen Jump and Loituma? Did they get permission? Did they get it from YouTube?The ConundrumerTC 05:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Good Article nomination
I put the Good Article nomination for this Loituma Girl on hold until a couple things are cleared up.
- There are a few minor MOS-related issues, with things such as periods in captions that aren't complete sentences, lack of proper capitalization in a few places (such as with flash animation instead of Flash animation), etc.
- Although this isn't a Good Article requirement, I feel like there is quite a bit of superfluous information. For example, it is unnecessary to tell readers what a leek is, when the animation of the girl twirling a leek is in the article and when a Wikilink is provided, much less do they need to know how to say "leek" in Japanese.
- I'm not sure about the image license on the animated gif. It claims to be a screenshot of an anime, but I don't think animations count as screenshots. Also, the image caption is not very good.
Aside from these things, I think this article should qualify for being a Good Article under Wikipedia's standard's. – Dok(talk|contribs) 06:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- I believe I've done the cleanup bits you suggested. The negi is technically a separate species from the leek, though the difference is pretty minor, so a more accurate sentence might be that she is twirling a "negi, a Japanese vegetable closely related to the leek". I can't find any guideline regarding animated gifs, but I believe it qualifies as a tv screenshot since it is a sequence of 4 tv screenshots being cycled and the only other way to show the information would be to take all 4 screenshots and lay them out separately. --tjstrf talk 16:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Negi are scallions, not leeks. Not sure why the article you linked to doesn't mention that, since the scallion article links to it. Doceirias 04:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- What is the status here? Contact the reviewer. This article has been on hold too long. IvoShandor 07:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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Failed GA; the article has been on hold for over seven days. Please relist if issues are addressed. Mike Christie (talk) 22:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)Renominating; I see the editors have responded but the reviewer has not. I'll put the nomination template back in with the original March 22 date. Mike Christie (talk) 22:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] GA hold
I have reviewed the article and have looked at previous comments and feel that past conditions have been met/answered. I think it meets all but one of the criteria at WP:WIAGA. I have placed the article on hold, but this is only for one thing and can easily be fixed. If so could you please provide a reference to one or more of these examples in the following statement:
As of mid-2006, there are multiple videos and remixes of the song that were inspired by the Flash cartoon.
I think what might also be good here is to briefly cover one of these multiple videos/remixes and state how it was inspired by the cartoon e.g. similar animation or lyrics (if you can call them that!) etc. Otherwise the rest of the article is fine. LordHarris 04:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- I've expanded the sentence to be more descriptive, but this is a bit of a paradox as far as referencing goes. See, none of the individual remixes (unless you count the commercial ones as "remixes") are noteworthy, only the whole mass of them existing. So linking to a single non-notable one just for the sake of having an example would be rather spammish.
- If you think it's imperative to have a reference, I could just pull the sentence entirely. --tjstrf talk 02:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
- Okay thats fine. GA reached. LordHarris 11:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] German Extra Spot
I added the link to the German Extra TV spot, but I don't know if Wrigley's will keep it up for too long, so somebody might want to find another one. 72.223.123.144 12:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the link is already giving a 404. Does anybody have any other link that can be used? 70.105.64.169 02:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Video Game
There is a Loituma Girl video game for Nintendo DS. It has more anime characters other then just Orihime Inoue. It's kind of simple though. All you do is press on the diffrent characters and you see them spinning a negi. I don't know everything about this game since I don't have it but it seems appropriate to put.
- Yeah, it's at http://dl.qj.net/Loituma-Girl-DS-v1.0-Nintendo-DS/pg/12/fid/11837/catid/220... I'm playing it now. :P Celarnor 12:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Currently Down
I just noticed the site is down at the moment. Does anybody know if it will be back up, or is it permanatly down? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Budster650 (talk • contribs) 00:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- If you're referring to Leekspin.com, that would be my fault. It should be another 1-2 days before it's back. That said, dojo.fi is most likely the original source...Thelordpsy (talk) 05:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Meatspin
Why is this listed and meatspin isn't? Meatspin was much more popular and came first.71.124.237.26 (talk) 01:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- Are there sources attesting to that? Everything here is supposed to be source-based. -GTBacchus(talk) 01:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] GA Review
An editor has suggested that this article does not meet GA criteria. Pleae feel free to comment at the Good Article review page. Majoreditor (talk) 13:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
This article was nominated for good article reassessment to determine whether or not it met the good article criteria and so can be listed as a good article. The article was delisted. Please see the archived discussion for further information. Geometry guy 21:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Gibberish?
Is the segment really just gibberish, or is it translateable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.70.207 (talk) 05:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
