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[edit] Erroneous claim

Lode Runner, I'm replying here since it is off-topic for the FGC article, but you just repeated a common myth. The only study to date indicates that there is no difference in keratinisation of the glans penis between circumcised and uncircumcised males.[1] Jakew 10:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, I won't repeat the claim unless I find sources that state otherwise. However, I do believe that desensitization does occur as evidenced by the fact that most uncircumcised males (myself included) feel quite uncomfortable if the exposed, dry glans rubs up against things (e.g. underwear.) --Lode Runner 19:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

There's a fair bit of evidence to the contrary there, too. [2] [3] [4] [5] Jakew 21:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
There is also supporting (cited) evidence found on the foreskin and sexual effects of circumcision page. The one thing almost all of the sources (but one, I think) have in common is that male circumcision does have some sort of rather pronounced effect. My argument was simply that no such effects can be reasonably assumed to accompany removal of the clitoral hood, because the clitoral hood (usually) only covers half of the clit anyway and is redundant due to the protection provided by the labia. --Lode Runner 21:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
How puzzling that you should have such an impression of the sources. Ah well. Jakew 22:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Which impression? That they exist? Yes, they exist and are cited by the articles I mentioned. No, I haven't reviewed them in-depth. Yes, most of the cited claims are what I'd consider pronounced effects. "When the foreskin was retracted a more than ten-fold increase in force was needed [to penetrate a testing apparatus]", "Senkul found that the circumcised men took significantly longer to ejaculate after circumcision", etc. --Lode Runner 22:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Original research

Are you aware of the Citizendium project?

It's basically Wikipedia, but with verified credentials, so original research from experts in the field only, is allowed (not just random OR, only for instance a Ph.D. in English Literature talking about shakespeare).

The changes you suggested to wikipedia are fundamentally incompatible with the project's vision, and stated purpose; however they are not so with Citizendium. Since your userpage notes that you intend to leave wikipedia if you cannot gain consensus for your change (and let's be frank: you won't get them here) you may wish to go there. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 07:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Not interested, thanks. There's a huge difference between actual original research submitted by experts and a basic logical conclusion (which is branded "synthesis" and thus banned.) They are not the same thing.
Also, I removed one sentence from your reply on the Village Pump page. I clearly stated on the WP:NOR talk page that offtopic personal attacks would not be tolerated. If you want to badmouth me, do it here or on the WP:NOR talk page. I will not let you derail this discussion into talking about my horrible alleged sin regarding the SINGLE edit (not "edits", like you said--unless you want to be pedantic and include spelling fixes) that I made. If this removal was, in itself, another horrible sin (probably, but then I would argue that personal attacks are graver) please keep your objections off of the village pump page. Take whatever action you deem necessary, get the higher-ups themselves to permaban me, but please leave this debate alone. --Lode Runner 23:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
It's generally not a good idea to be attempting to change WP:TALK policy without consideration for the aspect of it saying "do not edit other people's comments". Also, it'd be nice to see some good faith here: I made no personal attacks: I made a comment based on my opinion of your edits. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 05:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Furthermore, you don't get to propose a policy change, and then exclude people who disagree with you from debate. That's just not how it works. You don't have any standing to say "I will not let you...": see WP:OWN for details. I believe this makes my point abundantly clear: you are misrepresenting policy, and in the process violating further policy; it's disruptive, and it's unacceptable. As I'm involved in this discussion, I obviously would not take any actions, but if others were to, I would clearly support it. (rescinded in the face of clear disruptive editing) 05:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 05:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I am trying to exlude material that attacks me instead of my idea, nothing more.--Lode Runner 05:17, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
And removing personal attacks and off-topic information is NOT against policy. --Lode Runner 05:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


No, but policy page disruption is.

Warning As noted on the AN/I page, I am blocking you for 24hr for revert warring on the policy page disruptively. I am also warning Sanchi Tachi for civility violations, he is not in the right either. You may appeal the block by adding the {{unblock}} template; if you do, I strongly urge you to direct the reviewing admin to view the AN/I discussion. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 05:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I take issue not with punishment (I accept that), but the lies you said in your "remedy" section.

1. "he's in the past several days significantly attempted to modify WP:NOR without consensus"

Sorry, but I did have consensus--on the talk page. Not a SINGLE person disagreed. I waited 2+ days for opposition. None came, and I was not aware of any contradiction at the time so I didn't see the harm in adding it right away. I was not aware that all such policy decisions must be run by the pump first. My mistake was honest, and I did not attempt to re-introduce my section after its removal.

2. "now reverts other people's contributions on article talk as "invalid"

I said "off-topic" and "personal attack" too. You miscatagorize my justifications by using "invalid" only, because Wikipedia does support the removal of off-topic material and personal attacks.


I ask that you clarify these points to avoid demonizing my username. --Lode Runner 05:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, you might be interested in checking this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Is_it_possible_to_change_NOR_policy_in_this_manner.3F

It seems that my ideas find merit even at the higher levels. I wonder what the founders of Wikipedia will say? --Lode Runner 05:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

They're duly clarified here. As I said, if you take exception, you may always request unblock through the unblock template.⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 05:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Then (assuming no objection) I will duly clarify them underneath your pronouncement, when my block has expired.
In the meantime, I can't help but notice that one of your fellow admins just changed original research policy without consensus (GASP!) I don't want to be petty about it, but I think it sheds a new light on the way my misdemeanors have been treated. --Lode Runner 07:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please stop your uncivil behaviour

Please stop your uncivil behavior on the Depression Talk page. Please remember that you may be blocked when your conduct severely disrupts the project, is inconsistent with a civil, collegial atmosphere and interferes with the process of editors working together harmoniously to create an encyclopedia. Please refrain from gross incivility and personal attacks. Paul gene (talk) 01:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

If you're an admin, go ahead and block me now. If not, don't waste your breath. You have shown zero interest in adding actual, objective content to the article, preferring instead to quote rules that don't apply or remove/rewrite sourced material. Your attempts to appear civil and polite belie your continued rule-lawyering attempts to hijack (and now spam) the talk page and the CES section.
Regarding behavior that may result in one being blocked, I think that repeatedly accusing your fellow editors of fictional rules violations is a lot worse than indirectly calling someone delusional (which was said as a direct response to said accusations/spamming.) --Lode Runner (talk) 02:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)