Talk:Local-express lanes

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[edit] Merge Tag

I believe that the articles of Local lane and Collector/distributor road should be merged. Both articles are okay in their present form so there isn't a need to delete. Both refer to the same thing, a freeway with a collector-express system. The collector-express system is the successor to the Frontage road or service road. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.38.206.199 (talk • contribs)

Hmmm, not a bad idea. --SPUI (talk) 23:51, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. C/D lanes are very short, typically only serving the ramps of a single full-cloverleaf interchange. Express lanes are much longer (most of the examples are about 10-20 miles in length), and several have interchanges on the express lanes at the major junctions.

Since this has been tagged for just about a year and no one's done anything about it, I'm going to go ahead and remove the tag. If someone wants to re-tag and form a full-on debate, be my guest. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 23:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name Convention

This isn't an express lane, why does it redirect here? Express lanes have less access to interchanges. I-70 in St. Louis has a physically separated 2-lane express lane in the middle that switches directions for rush hours. Since it is in the middle, it doesn't have access to any interchanges for the duration of the express lane. I noticed car pool lanes in LA are like this sometimes as well, though they don't have a physical separation, just two solid white lines. By the way, I came here from the "See also: Express lane" link under "Third (reversible) carriageways on freeways" section in the "Reversible Lane" article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RalphTheWonderLlama (talk • contribs)

The article is about a system of local lanes and express lanes. There's no way to have one article for local lanes and a separate one for express lanes. If someone would like to propose a more appropriate title for this article, that might be good, but I'm happy as it stands. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 23:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Either Collector-Express lanes or Local-Express lanes be better -- KelleyCook 20:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I was WP:BOLD (as you can see) -- KelleyCook 18:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

This article should be renamed Local-Express lane system to eliminate confusion between this system and the dedicated contraflow express lanes that used to be referenced on this page. TEG 17:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to rename, but the express lanes page should be nuked. See comment below. -- KelleyCook 22:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually according to FHWA ^[1]"A lane or set of lanes physically separated or barriered from the general-purpose capacity provided within major roadway corridors. Express lane access is managed by limiting the number of entranced and exit points to the facility. Express lanes may be operated as reversible flow facilities or bi-directional facilities." Therefore the Express Lane page should continue to exist, and this page should become a page to expand the local-express system, and explain how it is different than the Espress Lanes, or local-express system should be removed. TEG 15:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The reason express lanes was created because all entries that exist on that page were removed from this page. Additionally, to the best of my knowledge, express lanes as indicated in the express lanes article still have connections off the freeway, just less than the mainline, where as express lanes in the local-express lane system only has the ability to access the local lanes. Also, express lanes in the local-express lane system run in each direction at the same time, whereas those referenced in the express lanes system are reverseible and operate in a contraflow design, with special sinage and mechanics to allow ingress and egress at constructed inchanges. TEG 17:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I would just fix this article. There is nothing set-in-stone local-express lanes that means the express lanes can't have their own exits every now and then. If so then many of the local-express (collector-express) lane systems wouldn't qualify as such. Interstate 96 in Detroit has an exit to the Southfield Freeway from both the express and local portions. [1] -- KelleyCook 22:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

On IL-53 by I-90 the sings referrer to Local and Express lanes but they are short like Collector distributor lanes so Local-express are like long Collector distributor lanes. [2]Joe The Dragon 02:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

That's a special case... the marked route on one side of the interchange is different from the marked route on the other side of the interchange. So you also need to emphasize that you're traveling onto a new route. The I-290 exit to I-90 is a part of I-290/Illinois 53. The exit later on in the C-D ramp is the Illinois 53 exit to Illinois 62, and solely a part of Illinois 53. So to address this, IDOT decided to mark the thru lanes Illinois Route 53 Express, and the exit ramp Illinois Route 53 Local. Strangely, IDOT decided not to carry this convention traveling the opposite direction. (Interstate 290 for the express lanes, and the excessive "Interstate 90 / Illinois 62 (Algonquin Road) / To: Illinois 58 (Golf Road) / Illinois 72 (Higgins Road)" "exit"). This is likely because signage on Route 53 was unaffected by the Interstate 290 reconstruction project of 2002-2004. —Rob (talk) 14:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

M20 lanes seem to be just C/D lanes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe The Dragon (talk • contribs) 02:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

It is possible that terminology regarding local lanes, C/D lanes, and variations on the "express" theme may vary depending on which region or country that you are in. Growing up in PA, NJ, and now working in MD -- I've typically used C/D lanes for any type of lanes fitting such similar descriptions, but I will sometimes use local lanes to refer to longer applications of C/D lanes. That means that by my definition: Local Lanes are always C/D Lanes, but C/D Lanes are not always Local Lanes. Sort of like how a square is always a rectangle, but a rectangle is not always a square. --Thisisbossi 14:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)