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[edit] WUSTL seal

Hi Lmbstl thanks for all of the edits you've made to the Washington University page. I think you have done a great job and put a lot of work into the page. I have made some reverts to your edits but I don't mean them out of spite. And if you have any disagreements with me you can just come to my talk page. Also I want to inform you a recent chill has come over the editors over the Washington University page, because a university administrator has been editing the page, so just be a little cautious when editing the page.Astuishin 04:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Under fair use doctrine of a image, the image can only be used on the page in which it specialty concerns and since templates are used on multiple pages it violates WP fair use policy. Also concerning the WU administrators their are several problems, first an administrators job is the promote the university which is exactly what she was doing, and As you know WP is suppose to be objective source of information, not another opportunity for institutions to promote themselves. Read the talk page section titled Washington University Seal for more information if you have any more questionsAstuishin 06:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry Lmbstl I meant the the Removal of Seal not Washington University Seall.Astuishin 06:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WUSTL WikiProject invite

Thank you for your offer to join the WUSTL WikiProject. I'm going to respectfully decline, however, as I don't think I have much to contribute. I'm a St. Louis area native, so I grew up with a lot of admiration for Wash U. But, I did not attend Wash U (I went to Mizzou) and I don't have any special knowledge about it. I made the contribution about the campus location because I'm a geographer, so the unqualified statement of the campus being in the City of St. Louis stuck out like a sore thumb to me. But now I'm out of info to contribute. :) Thanks again for the invitation; I'm glad my contribution didn't go unnoticed. Good luck with your WikiProject.—Lazytiger 14:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Lmbstl, thanks for your note on my Talk Page. You asked whether I'd want to manage the To-Do list for the List of Washington University alumni page. I might be interested, but I'm not sure what managing the page entails. (I've never participated in a wikipedia "Project" before.) Also, I'm not on wikipedia every day, and I wonder whether the job requires checking in each day at least. Anyway, would be interested to hear more. As it is now, the list is in pretty good shape, but there are a few tasks that I think could improve it. Ultimately, the weakest part of the WUSTL series, I think, might be the absence of a good, extensive history -- and for that, someone's going to have to delve into the two books written on WUSTL's history (I added these to WUSTL "Further reading" awhile back, although I haven't looked them over), because in this particular case I don't think a decent narrative can be stitched together from bits and pieces on the web. Best, Ropcat 19:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again for your latest note. I really appreciate your invitation, and your patient explanation of how this works! I went ahead and added some tasks that I thought needed doing, now listed in the "To-Do" box for the Alumni List article. I hope this will help move the article along over time. Good luck with the project. I'm in kind of a busy period right now but, after the next few months are over, I look forward to contributing more regularly on WUSTL-related topics. In the past, I've spent most of my WUSTL-related wikipedia time categorizing -- creating the current WUSTL categories and searching for pre-existing content to add to each cat and subcat -- rather than writing. But I will try to do more on the writing front during the spring. In the meantime, I'll serve as "manager" for the Alumni List article, as you invited me to do, by checking in every few days to see what's going on with it and posting any new suggestions that come to mind. (Fighting off persistent vandalism from multiple IP's on that page got pretty time-consuming for Astuishin and me, but I think we finally dealt with it for the time being.) I appreciate and admire your initiative in getting this project rolling. The whole series will be much better for it. Best, Ropcat 07:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WUSTL revert

Sorry, that was a mistake. Go ahead and change it back. RedRollerskate 15:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My edits to the template

Hello. I hope that my edit summary shows that I meant no malice regarding the template (also that I made an additional constructive edit). At any rate, I just wanted to let you know that I have replied to your post on my talk page. --After Midnight 0001 13:27, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WUSTL WikiProject invitation

Hi, thank you for your invitation I would love to participate, but I am new here, and I can't spend much time here, so maybe I can't do much. I will try to make my contribution, although it might be small. Best Wishes! minbaili

[edit] Good job!

I see that my efforts were helpful in the creation of your project :) If you have any questions about things I've done I'll try to help you. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 22:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response to your response at my talk page

Hello. Subst is a thing you can do on any template. It just substitutes the template tag with content of the template. If I write {{subst:UserWUSTL}} in a page it'll just replace the tag with the contents of the template. Then, i can remove the Category tags. I'll present an example (feel free to copy and paste it to any page):

WU
This user attends or attended
Washington University.

Notice that i removed the category tag. However, this way, the subst has to be redone if you have updated the template. But it's just the same with images, so that's no problemo. --Ysangkok 07:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

You could also have a category parameter that selects whether or not to include the category when the template is transcluded. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 09:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
What? How? That would cascade any updates to transcluded templates, which is most certainly optimal! --Lmbstl 09:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
You'd use m:Parserfunctions. There's a steep learning curve, though. I use a few in my project template. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 15:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Olin School + other issues

You are probably correct concerning the logo Lmbstl, I actually was never convinced that the image was ever a official school logo however with all the other business schools having one I thought that the Olin school needed one as well. I failed to check the edit history of the page and assumed it was some type of vandalism when it was removed. Is the Washington U marketing logo allowed to be placed on other pages? I don't mean to be a strict interpreter of the copyright regulations on wp, however I wish to avoid any confrontations with the administration. I noticed it on the business school and Danforth campus pages. On the ongoing discussion concerning the Washington U. shield I have decided to stay clear of it for now; as I was the original perpetrator in the old seal fiasco I do not want to ruin the prospect of having a historical symbol of the University placed on wikipedia. - thank you Astuishin 14:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes I believe that your assumption is quite correct, I examined the website, which of course is all I can do, and found no logo. - thank you Astuishin 08:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I replied to your edits at {{Forms of government}}

Please refer to template talk page so we can discuss and arrive at an agreement to your recent edits. Kind regards, Lord Metroid 09:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your NWHI Template

I really like this new template, but I want to let you know I have tweaked it just a bit- see its talk page. SeanMD80talk | contribs 04:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Francis Field Chinese Translation

Hi, I finished a Chinese translation of Francis Field. Could you please leave me you email address so that I can send you the MS-WORD file of that? And there are still some details I need to discuss with you. Mine is minbaili"at"gmail(I suppose you can guess what it is ^_^). With Regards, MIN, Baili 04:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject St. Louis

 Hello, I noticed you've made edits to St. Louis articles or that you are in some way connected to metropolitan area. I thought you might want to become a member of the St. Louis WikiProject. We've recently built the project page and started a drive to improve St. Louis related articles. Please take a look to edit an article or add one of your own. Once an article's status has been agreed upon, feel free to stop by and lend a hand in getting it to featured article status. Hope you can participate!

Grey Wanderer | Talk 21:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WashU student union

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I expressed my opinion on the issue in that talk section. I agree with you that removing 90% of an article and then placing notability tags on it seems disingenuous. I was going to restore the article as it was but there really was far too much unsourced info. I'm not sure that the Student Union deserves its own article, but if you think it's worth saving I'd recommend adding some more StudLife sourced info before they put it up for AfD (which is only a matter of time now that the merge is sufficiently contested). Oren0 (talk) 01:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I can't make the ccase that it deserves its own article. I just don't agree with the methodology of its removal. Thanks, Oren0! --Lmbstl (talk) 02:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
The best course of action is to re-add info to the article, being careful to source everything. Don't turn it into an edit war, though. If they continue to be unreasonable we can consider an WP:RFC, though I still expect an WP:AFD to come first. Oren0 (talk) 06:30, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I added my few cents. If you weren't aware, I'm trying to start a WikiProject for student unions. See the proposal here. GreenJoe 16:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WUSTL Student Union

I can see that things are spiraling out of control here, so I'll try to explain my actions a bit more thoroughly. I can see why it would look like I'm on a rampage from your point of view. So, this post is long, but I hope it helps smooth things over...

As far as the concern that I was canvassing, I came across User:Paddy_Simcox when I saw his AFD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Associated Students of Arizona State University and saw he was cleaning up the same type of articles I was working on, and asked if he would like to help. I don't think that qualifies as canvassing, which is usually "If you agree with me vote here on this AFD/RFC." I just asked for his help in merging this group of articles. Also, Paddy Simcox has AFDd a bunch of UK student unions, which I haven't touched (since I know US/UK student unions are different animals, and I know nothing about the British ones).

As far as the concern that User:Paddy_Simcox and I are suckpuppets, we are not. I can't really prove that unless you can find an admin to run IP checks, or whatever people do to check that out. Yeah, I see that he's only been around for a few weeks, and that prods are usually reserved for more skilled editors. That I cannot explain. Perhaps he lost his old password and made a new account. Maybe he's just a fast learner, I dunno.

As far as the list of AFDs, I am a very organized person, so I did keep track of the articles I was working on: User:RedShiftPA/Cleanup. I also keep a to do list (User:RedShiftPA/ToDo) and a list of thing I've already done (User:RedShiftPA#My wikipedia projects). That "cleanup" page doesn't mean I was issuing orders to anyone, just that I'm anal retentive.

I really don't have a vendetta or grudge against student government articles. Here's the (rather long and boring) story of why I started merging a bunch of these articles: As you can see from my contrib list, I almost exclusively edit articles in politics (especially PA politics). I was beefing up the College Republican article and adding a bunch of folks to the Category:College Republicans, when I stumbled across the article for something called "DUGBA" Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dugba, which was merged into the Associated Students of Michigan State University article [1]. It was an insanely well done article about their student government, but it was totally original research. I even tried to contact the VP to see if they wanted to save some of the history of the organization before it was merged (no luck with the email, by the way). So, then I worked with the original author User:Lovelac7 to merge it to the main MSU article Michigan State University#Associated Students of Michigan State University. You can see from his talk page that we worked very well on the merging process. From there I saw Category:Student governments in the United States and was surprised to see so many similar articles. And that is how I came to the WUSTL student union article.

But, in conclusion, I really think that student government/student unions are best served under the main article. Wikipedia can't be a hosting service for lists of former student government presidents and a server for constitutions. Anything that can pass WP:OR and WP:RS wouldn't be much more than a stub.

As far as my tactics go, I didn't foresee that merging these article would be very contentious. I now (very clearly) know that this is not the case. So, for assuming that, I apologize.Is there some common ground that we can find on merging these into the main article? I will post this on a few other talk pages of editor who are also in the discussion. --RedShiftPA (talk) 00:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello RedShiftPA, thanks for the note, it is much appreciated. I am sure we can find a common ground, we just have to discuss it. As I have said, I am not necessarily against a merge or a deletion, but, as I see you understand, we can't let it happen the way it has been happening.
I am sure it would go a long way if you could post your desire to find common ground on on the WUSTL talk page where the main discussion is going on. I see it this way: either the WUSTL Student Union article should be improved, or it should be condensed and merged. If it fails notability, we can all determine that. I think we all agree that it is not good enough in its present form, so something must change. Let's focus on that! Best, --Lmbstl (talk) 15:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for understanding. I really think that the article should be merge, and I am glad that you and I agree in principle. But, I am concerned that it only takes 1 guy who disagrees with us to revert all of the work, and then we'd be forced to reach a new consensus again. So, I AFD'd the [student union]. I don't want you or anyone else to take it as a sign of disrespect or unilateral action. An AFD is probably the best way to get a solid consensus on the merger that can withstand random reverts. I notified people (including people who disagree with me) that I have done this--and I made sure to avoid canvassing. I have AFD'd other student government articles that are facing the same issues as the WUSU. I also added them to the WP:UNI delete notice board so that members of the project can voice their opinion. Again, I hope this helps us reach a good solid consensus. Cheers!--RedShiftPA (talk) 18:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
It's not personal, but I am disappointed (and annoyed) at your implicit objective that the article should be deleted without an opportunity to be improved, particularly kicking off the deletion process in the name of consensus. (There were no "random reverts"-- I reverted the article until could sort out what was happening). I guess it is notable that you notified people about the AFD, but could you be in any more of a hurry? It is clear that you view discussions as an obstacle to getting the article deleted.
I will vote for a merge instead of a complete removal. You know very well why the original request to merge was contested-- it was more related to your methodology than anything else-- allowing no reasonable timeframe to scope the article for possible improvement relative to the items you tagged it with (for example, notability, sources, etc). As a result, there has been a collossal waste of time and effort.
I hope in the future you can better channel your determination (which I admire). Eventually, you will need more than User:Paddy_Simcox to make such changes. Best, --Lmbstl (talk) 03:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hi, Is Image:131553360 5b43872721 o.jpg licensed under just the CC-Attribution-NoDerivs 2.5 license or is it a CC-Attribution license? Because Wikipedia likes to have everything in it free to be modified by everybody, Wikipedia can't accept images that are "No Derivative" licensing. Guroadrunner (talk) 10:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


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