Talk:Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral

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[edit] Naming poll

Please indicate whether this article should be named "Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral" or "Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral of Christ the King". Note that the article has been named "Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral" until very recently, so unless there is a consensus for "Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral of Christ the King" it should be moved back to "Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral".

[edit] Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral

  1. User:Irate has also been moving Manchester Cathedral and Bristol Cathedral. When Wikipedia policy on using common names was pointed out to him, he immediately responded with an unprovoked personal attack along the lines of "only cretins like you" use common names (see [1] in the "Cathedral names" section). As proof of common name usage by local media, see for instance http://www.icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk and do a search on "cathedral". For instance, [2], [3], [4] (these are all very recent newspaper articles, if they have disappeared from the site's archives by the time you read this, just do your own fresh search). In contexts where it is necessary to carefully distinguish between Liverpool Cathedral and the Roman Catholic Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral, Liverpool Cathedral is sometimes called the "Anglican Cathedral", but usually it is simply called "Liverpool Cathedral". When the Roman Catholic cathedral is mentioned alone, it is locally called by the common name "Metropolitan Cathedral" [5] [6] [7] (again, these are all very recent newspaper articles, do your own fresh search if they have disappeared from the site's archives by the time you read this). -- Curps 03:05, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    Further comment The official website of this cathedral says in its very first paragraph: "it helps avoid confusion to refer to one as 'Liverpool Cathedral' and the other [itself] as 'The Metropolitan Cathedral.' " [8]. Note there are exactly two cathedrals in Liverpool. -- Curps 20:57, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  2. Support. Use common name. Jonathunder 03:21, 2005 Mar 7 (UTC)
  3. Rhobite 03:45, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC). Support shorter, more common name.
  4. — Dan | Talk 04:02, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  5. for the same reason as Rhobite Thryduulf 08:25, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  6. violet/riga (t) 09:43, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  7. Gareth Hughes 13:17, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  8. Chris 73 Talk 00:53, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
    • As the poll seems to favor Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral, I have moved the article back to this name. If there would be a turn in the poll, we can always move it again, although I don't expect the poll outcome to change. -- Chris 73 Talk 01:00, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
  9. Michael Warren | Talk 17:13, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
  • Within the city of Liverpool, Liverpool Cathedral is often referred to as the Anglican Cathedral
  • Support - If the UK is under the page name United Kingdom, then equally this should be under the shorter (and nicer) version of its name. -- drrngrvy tlk @ 01:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral of Christ the King

  1. This cathedral is knon offically as Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral of Christ the King. it has about twenty other names locally, so it best to use the offical.--Jirate 23:23, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)


[edit] Alternative images

Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral

[edit] Nickname

It's affectionately known as Paddy's Wigwam? Just googling the term shows that more than a few people besides me find this "affectionate" nickname to be pretty offensive. How about at least affectionately (if also derogatorily)? Then again, the Brits have always had such good relations with the Irish and the Native Americans, I'm sure no harm is meant by the name. aww 14:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Googling "Paddy's Wigwam" seems to reveal nothing of the sort, and show you to be in the company of a single musician (in the first 50 or so hits, anyway). It seems to be a complete non-issue in the city as well, a very large part of which is Irish in origin, probably because it is from the city and an example of scouse humour, not something dreamed up by scheming imperialists. Perhaps some knowledge of a place would be helpful before you start throwing these sort of accusations about. MAG1 08:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd tend to agree. The nickname is certainly common locally bt I'm not sure it is especially derogatory. Few of the Google hits suggest that it is seen that way, although the use of the term 'Paddy' could be seen as racially insensitive today. Rather it is the vein of locals poking fun at local landmarks: for example Dublin has the The Stiffy by the Liffey and The Tart with the Cart statue, along with numerous other examples, and London has the Erotic gherkin.
One of the Google references suggests that the Anglican Cathedral has the nickname "Dracula's castle", but I can't say that I've ever heard that one in common use - I'm not sure it has any real currency. -- Solipsist 11:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. That's why I asked here (and didn't make any changes to the article). Goes to show different things fly on different sides of the pond. Thanks. aww 20:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


Its also known as the mersey funnel. Jcoatz 16:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Does anybody actually call it Paddy's Wigwam? the only place I've heard it is in books and articles, like here, claiming this is the popular name. I've never heard anyone actually use it. Or Mersey Funnel, either. Swanny18 (talk) 15:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image caption

The caption to the last image tells us that "The roof is the largest of its kind in the world". Er, what does that mean? What is "its kind"? Could we have a source please? Cheers, DWaterson 23:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)