Talk:Liu Penzi

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Opinion requested: should Liu Penzi be put into the category "Han Dynasty emperors"? --Nlu 17:09, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Collecting References 1.1 Potential references 1.2 Researchable claims 1.3 Background Information 2 Evidence is hard to find

[edit] Collecting References

[edit] Potential references

The references will be collected here, then folded into the article, then this section will be deleted.

• http://www.chinaknowledge.de/History/Han/han-rulers.html , Liu Penzi 劉盆子 25-27 , Later/Eastern Han Dynasty

• http://library.thinkquest.org/C006324/han.htm , lived AD. 10-?? , reigned AD. 25-27 , Western Han

• Treatises of Later Han. B. J. Mansvelt Beck. Brill 1990. ISBN 9004088954. Page 188.

• Daoism Handbook. Livia Kohn. Brill 2000. ISBN 9004112081. Page 136.

Theobald, Ulrich (2005-12-17). Chinese History: Han Dynasty. Retrieved on 2007-10-29.

Shortly after the first uprisings of the Lülin peasant rebels, in the region of modern Shandong Fan Chong 樊崇 lead desperate peasants in a huge rebellion army called the Red Eyebrows (Chimei 赤眉) because they had they foreheads painted red.

The Chimei also wanted to overthrow Emperor Gengshi of Han.

Liu Penzi was made "emperor" by the Chimei.

--Mumia-w-18 07:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Researchable claims

• Chimei rebels placed Liu Penzi on the throne.
• The Chimei were agrarian rebels.
• Liu Penzi was peacefully removed from the throne.
• Liu Penzi was descended from Liu Zhang.
• Liu Penzi's brothers were Liu Gong and Liu Mao.

--Mumia-w-18 07:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Background Information

• http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%88%98%E7%9B%86%E5%AD%90 (It's too bad I can't read Chinese.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mumia-w-18 (talk • contribs) 07:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence is hard to find

It's becoming rather challenging for me to find evidence relating to the events of the life of Liu Penzi (劉盆子). So far, the library books I've checked from the library don't mention him at all. I don't know Chinese, and I don't live in China. I live in America.

Can someone direct me to reliable, English language sources of information about Liu Penzi so that I can verify the claims in this article?--Mumia-w-18 19:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Is there not an English book that describes in detail the events in Liu Penzi's life? -- Mumia-w-18 16:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)