Talk:Liturgical year

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There is a lot that we could do with the Christian liturgical year. It would be nice to have articles for each Sunday — at least each Sunday has set readings in a lot of traditions. It would be good to link together the calendars of various traditions too. I propose starting from the RCL calendar as it is now the most used calendar in the western liturgical tradition, and building from that. Would anyone be interested in setting up a Wikiproject for the liturgical year? Gareth Hughes 09:56, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

See WikiProject Christian liturgical year. Gareth Hughes 10:28, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] npov issues?

I haven't read a lot of the religion articles, but is it considered suitably neutral to do things like say Easter celebrates the day of "His resurrection"? Why not "easter is the date on which Christians celebrate what they believe to have been Jesus's resurrection"? It couldn't hurt...

It is factually correct to say that Easter is the celebration of Christ's resurrection. That doesn't make any statement about claims for and against his resurrection; it only says that Easter is when it's celebrated. The statement is verifiably true. Your rewording also makes for a bad read: it's better to tell it as it is. Gareth Hughes 11:56, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I removed the following per my understanding of WP:EL:


The first is a subset of a subset of Christian tradition, adequately covered in Traditionalist Catholic (Wikilinks always preferred to weblinks). The second is a Geocities site, and not an obvious authority. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 22:39, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Easter

Easter Section needs to be expanded and the timing of the feast explained Japeo 05:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of Ordinary Sundays

When is there ever 34 Ordinary Sundays in the Liturgical Calendar? I thought by definition the Sunday before Christ the King, i.e. two Sundays before Advent Sunday, is the 33rd Sunday of the Year. Is there an example of a year when there were, or will be, 34 Sundays? Arcturus 19:08, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Christ the King is the 34th Sunday and labeled as such in the Lectionary. The rest of the week is the 34th or Last Week. Seasonally, Christ the King is part of Ordinary Time, just like Trinity Sunday, even though it's a fixed Feast. PaulGS 00:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The sentence stating the number of Sundays in the first bit of Ordinary Time needs to come before the one indicating the variability in the start point, otherwise it is simply inaccurate (there may in fact be no Sundays in the first bit of OT in rites which treat Candlemas as the end of seasonal time – the Church of England follows such a pattern). The figure for the number of Sundays is three to eight for the Roman Rite, four to nine for rites which treat the Baptism of Christ as of Ordinary Time, and zero to five where seasonal time extends to Candlemas (there may be yet more possibilities). If this sentence is to have any value at all, it must be clear which rite it is referring to. Vilĉjo 07:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kingdomtide

I have rewritten and expanded the paragraph on Kingdomtide, hoping to show that the basic idea is very widespread (and not restricted to one kind of tradition). In the process, I removed the statement that the United Methodist Church observed Ordinary Time from September to November as "Kingdomtide", as this seemed very surprising, given that all other denominations that I know of only use that term for the last 3 or 4 weeks. Apologies if I have removed correct information (I did check out their website, but couldn't find anything relevant)! Vilĉjo 22:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Festival vs. Holy Day

For the sake of categorization, can anyone tell my the difference between a Christian Festival and a Christian Holy Day? Can anyone give an example of an article that would fit one but not the other? I'm planning on proposing a merge of the two categories (Category:Christian holy days, Category:Christian festivals), because there is a lot of overlap. However, I want to make sure that there isn't a valid distinction before proceeding. -Andrew c 14:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

They are two terms for the same thing. "Festival" often refers to the public celebration (fairs, festive meals, cultural traditions, etc.) of a Holy Day (or "Feast Day"), as opposed to the liturgical celebration (worship services, processions, mystery plays, etc.). But the two are closely bound together, and distinguishing them too sharply might bring about a false dichotomy. For instance, many aspects of carnival have their origin in religious practices (religious processions turn into parades). MishaPan 06:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] St. Joseph and the Annunciation

I have a notion: This article says, "Should the Feasts of St. Joseph or the Annunciation fall during Holy Week, they are transferred to the week following Easter." But the article in this link says that "in 2008 the feast of St. Joseph will be celebrated... the day before Palm Sunday, and the feast of the Annunciation will be celebrated... the Monday after the second Sunday of Easter". Can someone fix the article with the link I've described, please? Thank you! --Angeldeb82 03:37, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] General style or terminology

It may be more proper to use the expression "Roman Rite" rather than "Catholic" in several instances because not all Catholic Churches (i.e. the Eastern Rites) use the Roman Calendar. In that sense, more effort must be made to differentiate between the pre-1969 and post 1969 Roman Calendars. (This can be done without dredging up Traditional vs. Modern Rite animosity just as in the bit about the Feast of Christ the King.) Since I only stumbled across this page and don't have my research materials here, I didn't want to make any changes. I'd rather leave it up to the original author or regular contributors. Mattvsmith (talk) 02:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chronology

In the Ordinary Time sections, this statement, "Before the Roman liturgical calendar was reformed at the Second Vatican Council" is rather counter-factual. The Roman Calendar was not reformed at the Second Vatican Council, but by the committee that re-worked the liturgy and took effect the First Sunday of Advent in 1969. That's six years later. Chapter V of SC did not get into enough specifics to consider the reform as happening then and there. Mattvsmith (talk) 02:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Organization

It seems odd to have a single section with one festival day in it (the Assumption), let alone that it is a festival that has less universal appeal and biblical support than, say, the Annunciation. Even if it stays, I would like to see a citation for the claim that it may be one of the earliest festivals. Preferably, I would hope for either a complete section on many festivals of the sanctoral cycle, or limit this article to the major seasons and central festivals of the church year.

As a liturgical Lutheran, it seems to me that the entire article has a strong Anglo-Catholic prejudice. Mplsbf (talk) 21:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)