Talk:List of words of disputed pronunciation

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[edit] Audio files

Why are these audio files here? These should be on commons:, so that the (hundreds) of language Wiktionaries can use them. For example, Image:En-us-envelope.ogg and Image:En-us-envelope2.ogg already exist and are linked at wikt:envelope, wikt:fr:envelope (so French speakers can hear how it is pronounced in English,) etc. Such basic, useful files should never be restricted to an individual project. Following some naming conventions would help, too. --Connel MacKenzie - wikt 17:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

{{Sofixit}}, or at the very least, tag them with {{MTC}}. —Angr 19:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Banal

The last syllable rhyming with doll - (3) bə'nɒl? My own BrE pronunciation is nº (5) bə.'nɑl, rhyming with Dahl: I've never heard nº 3 ('banoll'). At least switch round (3) and (5). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rothorpe (talk • contribs) 15:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC) Rothorpe 16:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Anyone there? I notice no sources are given for this particular assertion. I am going to have to do some serious changing around here. Rothorpe 22:52, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation of Mature

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The pronunciation I use and most often hear is ma-chure; however I have also occasionally heard ma-tuor. Is one or the other correct, or are they both acceptable? Does anyone know the etymology? As a speech teacher qualified by Trinity College London (ATCL and LTCL) ma-chure is frowned upon as is chube for the London Underground. ma-tuor and tyoob are preferable.Andrenapier 16:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)andrenapier

Nonsense. This kind of palatalisation is perfectly normal. Should we say televizeeon, pressyure, actyooal? Pronounce sure like sewer? Azia, Patrissia? Spare us the tyranny of spelling pronunciation. Pronunseeateeon? Rothorpe 14:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What about dissection?

Isn't the version with the long i a mispronunciation, seeing as the first syllable is dis? Could this mispronunciation be due to a misconception of the etymology, by those who think it's di- (Greek prefix) as in "cutting into two", as opposed to dis- (Latin prefix) as in "cutting up?" I would agree this is a mispronunciation (something of a schoolboy howler). Compare disperse.Andrenapier 16:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)andrenapier

[edit] Primer

Article says that "Primer" can be pronounced with either a long "i" or short "i". It says that Americans differentiate between a paint/explosive by using the long "i", and an introductory book by using the short "i". I'm from the midwestern US, and I have never heard primer pronounced with a short "i". Anyone disagree? 70.105.125.14 06:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

You're right. And primmer, more prim, already exists. Rothorpe 14:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
No, you're wrong.
Merriam-Webster [1]:
1prim·er Pronunciation: 'pri-m&r, chiefly British 'prI-m&r ... a small book for teaching children to read...
2prim·er Pronunciation: 'prI-m&r ... material used in priming a surface -- called also prime coat...
American Heritage:
primer1 PRONUNCIATION: prĭm'ər ... An elementary textbook for teaching children to read. ...
primer2 PRONUNCIATION: prīm'ər ... An undercoat of paint or size applied to prepare a surface, as for painting. ...
Of course, your disagreeing with the dictionaries is itself further evidence of a dispute :) jnestorius(talk) 15:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. So has anyone heard 'primer' pronounced 'primmer' recently? Rothorpe 16:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I always pronounce it "primmer" in the sense of an elementary textbook. —Angr 16:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Thesaurus

I was surprised not to see 'thesaurus' on this page. Is it 'The-SAW-us' (rhyming with 'stegasaurus') or is it "THESS-ə-rus" (a bit like 'Toys r Us'. I'd add it myself but I don't know my IPA well enough. 87.194.195.7 21:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard anything but "the-SAWR-us". —Angr 22:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Sounds like a Boston accent butchering, along with the usual dropping of the "r" to me, probably too localized to be disputed.129.171.233.79 (talk) 19:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nevada?

I don't know much about IPA, so I can't add this one myself... Out of staters usually pronounce Nevada with the first a sounding like the a in all, while the correct (I believe) pronounciation is like the a in apple.

[edit] Poor?

While poor rhyming with oar seems to be the most common pronunciation. Poor pronounced with the o's sounding like the o in do. I am not aware of the percentages, etc., but I believe that the latter pronunciation has more precedence in the South than in other areas.Asphatasawhale (talk) 10:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think "poor" really qualifies for inclusion in this list. The variability in its pronunciation has more to do with the phonology of the various accents of English than with disagreements on the "correct" pronunciation of this individual word. —Angr 10:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Almond

The Oxford B.B.C. Guide to Pronunciation lists three different pronunciations for "almond". Should this be included? Epa101 (talk) 18:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)