Talk:List of universities in British Columbia

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[edit] Quicknote

I thought I should move the rationale on why a UC/College is not a university (yet) following an announcement up to the top for easy reference. If you wish to read the full discussion, feel free to scroll down past this section.

A UC/College needs to be approved by the Minister of Advanced Education for the right to use 'university' in its name following a quality assessment by the Degree Quality Assessment Board, then the Legislature's approval and finally requires the Royal Assent from Lieutenant Governor of British Columbia under the Degree Authorization Act and University Act. We are currently in Step 2 of 4 and thus legally and practically, they are not universities until the Legislature said so and the bill is not even tabled at the BC Leg yet: [1].

If anyone have any question or concern, feel free to talk here or on my user page and I will be happy to explain.--Cahk (talk) 20:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Just to update everyone - the University Amendment Act 2008 passed third reading[2] on May 22 and are now waiting for Royal Assent. Once that processed is done, the Minister of Advanced Education, Murray Coell, will announce when the new University Act will come into effect, per section 30 which reads "This Act comes into force by regulation of the Lieutenant Governor in Council." --Cahk (talk) 23:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
They sure like taking their time. But royal assent is required. Wonder if the Lt Gov will say no? GreenJoe 23:23, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
He'll say yes - nothing controversial in this amendment. Interestingly though, I just looked through KPU's announcement video, the premier clearly states KUC will become KPU by 2009....[3] --Cahk (talk) 23:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I think once the bill gets assent we can re-name the articles. While we usually go by the most common name, I am certain the name change will be done by the fall. GreenJoe 23:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] University Colleges

I merged the University-Colleges into this article as they are going to become full Uni's shortly. GreenJoe 21:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

This is incorrect. Whether or not they become full university is a matter of legislative process. The Campus 2020 report can not force the government to those recommendations made by the panel, it is a matter of giving the Minister of Advanced Education a backup tool if he wants to raise such colleges into university.--Cahk (talk) 05:00, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Do you not read the news? The government is going to pass legislation to make them all full regional Universities. GreenJoe 12:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The proof is here. Under bookmarks, go down to "Responding to Regional Needs." GreenJoe 12:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe you've failed to read the legislation and understand what the Campus 2020 report is about. As I've said before, this report is merely a task force report (hence why it is called 'Recommendations') and have no bearing on what the legislature will or will not do. For example, Kwantlen UC [4], "We have asked the Government of British Columbia to permit us to drop the word "college" from our name". I've not find any disucssion within the BC Leg in regards to upgrading these institutions to universities, per here [5]. Whether the government WILL pass the legislation is yet to be seen, by moving the UCs into universities, you are not making it 'factual', for the time being.
Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research policy, I've all the information documented whereas your info are simply your thinking that legislation will be presented to the legislature AND pass. --Cahk (talk) 18:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
I've since reverted those edits. If the BC Leg decide to pass legislations to upgrade the said institutions, the articles will be updated accordingly when Royal Assent is received. --Cahk (talk) 20:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UCFV

UCFV is going to be announced as a University on Monday, April 21 according to rumours circulating.—Preceding unsigned comment added by John604 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 20 April 2008
I hope you have been following this discussion and noted my point. A UC needs to be approved by the Minister of Advanced Education for the right to use 'university' in its name following a quality assessment by the Degree Quality Assessment Board, then the Legislature's approval and finally requires the Royal Assent from Lieutenant Governor of British Columbia under the Degree Authorization Act. These 4 steps simply can not be completed within 1 day. However, should the government announced its decision to move forward with the proposal, we'll update the article accordingly.--Cahk (talk) 20:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
It was announced today, just waiting on the passing of legislation next week to make it official. --John604 (talk) 23:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Another editor has already reverted your edit. I agree with you that an announcement is made, however, legislation is pending and until then, UCFV can not call itself a university.--Cahk (talk) 23:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Alright, fair enough. I added an explanatory sentence, and cited it using the announcement from the BC Ministry of Advanced Education. --John604 (talk) 23:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for being civil and understanding. I was the one who made the decision to revert GreenJoe's earlier edits to make all UCs into university so it's only fair that your's be reverted until legislation is passed, get Royal Assent and be proclaimed to be operational.--Cahk (talk) 00:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good. GreenJoe 01:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] KPU

Well, citing the announcements made today I made some moves. It's officially announced now -- Tawker (talk) 04:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

But the legislation hasn't passed and Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball. GreenJoe 04:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Huge difference between a crystal ball and a political party with a very strong majority saying they will do something. In reality, there is basically a 0% chance of it not happening. After all, we renamed RAV to Canada Line before any legislation for the exact same reasons. -- Tawker (talk) 04:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Since I was the one who reverted GreenJoe's edits back in March from UCs to unis, let me clarify my stance: Yes, I agree that the legislation will pass since the Liberals are in majority - however, the news accouncement is only step 2 of 4 needed to make UCFV into UFV. As of now, UCFV is still UCFV until the law is passed, RA granted AND the Minister proclaimed when it would be operational (ie. I do not foresee the name change until September - it makes no sense to change the name of the institution in the middle of a school year).--Cahk (talk) 04:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
It was announced today that Kwantlen would become Kwantlen Polytechnic University. GreenJoe 04:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I am aware. I've reverted the article from KPU back to KUC, per reasons outlined above. Maybe tomorrow it's Malaspina University College's turn.--Cahk (talk) 05:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
However, I believe it would make sense to name both with the to be names and make a note in the top line that it will be renamed from the original names. After all, we're not looking into the future, these changes will happen. I'd say both sides have valid arguments and I think it would make sense to come up w/ a compromise. -- Tawker (talk) 05:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Both UCFV and KUC have a note that the government is intending to upgrade those institution and yes, while we are looking into the future - we are NOT in the future yet, per Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball.--Cahk (talk) 05:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I would disagree - this isn't a crystal ball situation. We're predicting something that somebody with the power to do it has said they are doing. This isn't what Crystal Ball is about. We're not taking a wild guess, we know with 99.9999999999% certainty that these are the names. -- Tawker (talk) 05:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't mean it as it won't happen, it just hasn't happened yet so it makes no sense (legal or practical) to rename all those articles - and their new names are already on the article. Take a look at KUC's announcement [6] "Amendments to BC’s Universities Act will provide for Kwantlen’s new status and Kwantlen will begin planning immediately to ensure a smooth transition for students" --Cahk (talk) 05:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
The edit you made to KUC seems fine to me - I was thinking you want to move the article again.--Cahk (talk) 06:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I've given it some thought and since all 3 UCs have already a note in the intro section telling the audience that the UCs will be upgraded to university, pending amendment to legislation, I decided to take off KUC's rename notice as it's already there, 5 lines below.--Cahk (talk) 08:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ok, it passed - rename time

Per http://www.leg.bc.ca/38th4th/votes/progress-of-bills.htm the amendment to the University Act received Royal Assent yesterday (May 29th) - the CBC's referred to schools by their new names, I've started the moves / updates but I could use a little help -- Tawker (talk) 23:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

They should all be re-named, but we have to update lists, etc. GreenJoe 23:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I know, I've been working on it (feel free to help). In addition, the mainstream media has started to use the new names etc so even if the school's websites don't update instantly, people are now using the new names. -- Tawker (talk) 23:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Hold your horses... yes, the bill is now a law, except it's not an active law per section 30 of the University Amendment Act, 2008 which reads "This Act comes into force by regulation of the Lieutenant Governor in Council."--Cahk (talk) 11:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Honestly, big deal. It is law, and likely in force as well. The name change should proceed. Otherwise we're giving in to the marketing departments of the various new Universities. GreenJoe 11:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)