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1 List updater
2 Old talk
3 Wazas
4 List of non-szlachta
5 Polski Słownik Biograficzny
6 Template:Szlachciura
7 New category
8 "Szlachta" vs. ?
9 Title
10 Complete list?
11 Naming of szlachta

[edit] List updater

NOTE: Updater DOES NOT DELETE obsolete entries, so you have to manualy delete the entries from A list below before running him to remove entries already in the main article.

In subsection A below, listed are articles which are missing from the List of szlachta. They were found by looking in the categories in subsection C. One can add more categories to be searched to subsection C, see some suggestions in subsection D.

All this process can be restarted by clicking on the link at the bottom of subsection D.

Please note that anything around here is editable, but please don't modify the lines of the form

or their order.

[edit] A: Articles missing from the List of szlachta

Adam Aleksander Sanguszko -- Adam Hieronim Sieniawski (1576–1616) -- Adam Hieronim Sieniawski (1623–1650) -- Adam Ożarowski -- Albert Wijuk Kojałowicz -- Aldona of Lithuania -- Aleksander Bychowiec -- Aleksander Chodkiewicz -- Aleksander Fredro -- Aleksander Janusz Zasławski -- Aleksander Kostka Napierski -- Aleksander Zasławski -- Aleksandra Krasicka -- Aleksandra Piłsudska -- Alexandra of Lithuania -- Alfred von Niezychowski -- Andrew Bobola -- Andrzej Kmicic -- Andrzej Krzycki -- Andrzej Młodziejowski -- Andrzej Odrowąż -- Andrzej Opaliński (1540-1593) -- Andrzej Opaliński (1575-1623) -- Andrzej Szołdrski -- Andrzej Trzebicki -- Anna Alojza Ostrogska -- Anna Karolina Orzelska -- Anna Katarzyna Sanguszko -- Anna Kostka (1575–1635) -- Anna Leszczyńska (1660-1727) -- Anna Radziwiłł -- Anna Radziwiłł (nobility) -- Anna Tarło -- Anna Teresa Ossolińska -- Anna Tyszkiewicz -- Antoni Berezowski -- Antoni Stanisław Czetwertyński-Światopełk -- Apolonia Ustrzycka -- Archduke Charles Stephen of Austria -- Archduke Karl Albrecht of Austria -- Archduke Leo Karl of Austria -- Artur Potocki -- Augustinus Rotundus -- Balthus -- Barbara Anna Czartoryska -- Barbara Tarło -- Bartosz Paprocki -- Bogusław Fryderyk Radziwiłł -- Bogusław Radoszewski -- Bolesław IV of Warsaw -- Bolko I -- Catherine Jagellon of Poland -- Catherine Radziwill -- Catherine of Austria (1533-1572) -- Chodko Jurewicz -- Clementina Sobieski -- Count Alexandre Joseph Colonna-Walewski -- Count Alfred Józef Potocki -- Count Kasimir Felix Badeni -- Countess Marie Walewska -- Countess Palatine Hedwig Elisabeth Amelia of Neuburg -- Czaplic -- Czesław Miłosz -- Daniil Ostrogski -- Dorota Tarnowska -- Dołęga-Mycielski -- Dołęga-Ossowski -- Dołęga-Zaleski -- Edward Bernard Raczyński -- Edward Rydz-Śmigły -- Elisabeth Radziwill -- Elisabeth of Austria (1526-1545) -- Eliza Orzeszkowa -- Elizabeth of Pomerania -- Elizaveta Ostrogska -- Elżbieta Szydłowiecka -- Elżbieta Szydłowska -- Ernst Magnus Dönhoff -- Feodor Ostrogski -- Ferdynand Radziwiłł -- Fiodor Trubetsky -- Franciszek Antoni Kwilecki -- Franciszek Ksawery Drucki-Lubecki -- Franciszek Zabłocki -- Fryderyk Józef Moszyński -- Gabriel Narutowicz -- Godzimir Małachowski -- Grigori Alexandrovich Potemkin -- Helena Tekla Ossolińska -- Henry of Masovia -- Henryk Dobrzański -- Hieronim Chodkiewicz -- Hieronim Wołłowicz -- Hrehory Chodkiewicz -- Hubert Taczanowski -- Ignacy Bohusz -- Ilia Ostrogski -- Ivan Chodkiewicz -- Ivan Hieronimowicz Chodkiewicz -- Ivan Trubetskoy (15th century) -- Izabela Grabowska -- Jadviga Tarlo-Mniszech -- Jadwiga Maria Potocka -- Jadwiga Snopkowska -- Jadwiga Tarło (XVI-?) -- Jakub Wejher -- James Louis Henry Sobieski -- Jan Karol Dolski -- Jan Kochanowski -- Jan Kostka (1529–1581) -- Jan Lipski -- Jan Mikołaj Daniłowicz -- Jan Mikulicz-Radecki -- Jan Nowak-Jeziorański -- Jan Samuel Chrzanowski -- Jan Skrzetuski -- Jan Sobieski (1683 - 1685) -- Jan Walenty Węgierski -- Jan Wielopolski the elder -- Janisław I -- Janusz III of Masovia -- Janusz Radziwiłł (1579–1620) -- Janusz Radziwiłł (1612–1655) -- Janusz Radziwiłł (1880–1967) -- Joachim Chreptowicz -- Joanna Grudzińska -- Joanna Katarzyna Radziwiłł -- John Gielgud -- Joseph Conrad -- Jursitzky -- Józef Ankwicz -- Józef Haller de Hallenburg -- Józef Kossakowski (bishop) -- Józef Kossakowski (colonel) -- Józef Piłsudski -- Józef Pułaski -- Józef Zabiełło -- Józef z Kocięcina Kocięcki -- Karol Dominik Przezdziecki -- Karol Ferdynand Vasa -- Karol Stanisław Radziwiłł (1669–1719) -- Karolina Teresa Radziwiłł -- Katarzyna Eugenia Tyszkiewicz -- Katarzyna Karolina Radziwiłł -- Katarzyna Ostrogska (1560–1579) -- Katarzyna Ostrogska (1602–1642) -- Katarzyna Tomicka -- Kazimierz Sosnkowski -- Klemens Kurowski -- Konrad III Rudy -- Konstancja Czartoryska (1700–1759) -- Konstancja Poniatowska -- Konstancja Potocka -- Kossakowski -- Kot -- Krystyna Skarbek -- Krzysztof Mikołaj "the Thunderbolt" Radziwiłł -- Lorenz Christoph Mizler -- Ludwik Narbutt -- Ludwik Tyszkiewicz -- Ludwika Karolina Radziwiłł -- Ludwika Maria Poniatowska -- Maciej Kazimierz Sarbiewski -- Maciej Stryjkowski -- Maciej Łubieński -- Marcello Bacciarelli -- Marcin Dunin -- Marcin Wadowita -- Marcjan Aleksander Ogiński -- Maria Klementyna Sanguszko -- Maria Naryshkina -- Marianna Wiśniowiecka -- Melchior Weiher -- Michael Frederick Czartoryski -- Michał Karaszewicz-Tokarzewski -- Michał Kazimierz Ogiński -- Michał Kochanowski -- Michał Tyszkiewicz -- Michał Wołodyjowski -- Mikołaj Abramowicz -- Mikołaj Kurowski -- Mikołaj Sienicki -- Mikołaj Wolski -- Mstislav Rostropovich -- Móric Beňovský -- Naiman-Beg -- Natalia Potocka -- Niemierza z Gołczy -- Offices in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth -- Patricius (prince) -- Paweł Czartoryski -- Piast dynasty -- Piotrowski -- Polish clans -- Princess Mathilde, Duchess of Brabant -- Przybysław Dyjamentowski -- Róża Maria Potocka -- Róża Maria Wodzicka -- Róża Potocka -- Róża Potocka (1849-1937) -- Samuel Kmicic -- Samuel Osiński -- Skwierczyński -- Spytek of Melsztyn -- Spytek z Melsztyna (died 1399) -- Stanislaus I of Masovia -- Stanisław Bułak-Bałachowicz -- Stanisław Jerzy Lec -- Stanisław Kopański -- Stanisław Kostka (1487–1555) -- Stanisław Poniatowski (1676–1762) -- Stanisław Poniatowski (1754–1833) -- Stanisław Tarnowski -- Stanisław Warszycki -- Stanisław Wojciechowski -- Stanisław Łubieński -- Stefan Potocki (1624-1648) -- Stefan Sadorski -- Sułkowski -- Szymon Samuel Sanguszko -- Szymon Szymonowic -- Tadeusz Czacki -- Tadeusz Wróblewski -- Tamara Czartoryska -- Tekla Róża Radziwiłł -- Teodor Kazimierz Czartoryski -- Teofilia Ludwika Zasławska -- Teofilia Sieniawska -- Teofilia Tarło -- Teresa Karolina Rzewuska -- Teresa Sapieha -- Theresa Kunegunda Sobieska -- Ursula Katharina of Altenbockum -- Urszula Mayerin -- Wespazjan Kochowski -- Wojciech Jaruzelski -- Wysoczański -- Władysław Sikorski -- Władzimir Wałoc Trubetsky -- Włodzimierz Alfons Czartoryski -- Włodzimierz Krzyżanowski -- Yurii Chodkiewicz -- Zabłocki -- Zbigniew Oleśnicki (cardinal) -- Zbigniew Oleśnicki (primate of Poland) -- Zbigniew Tęczyński -- Zofia Ostrogska -- Zofia Szydłowiecka -- Zofia Zamoyska -- Zygmunt Grudziński (1568-1653) -- Zygmunt Kurnatowski -- Łukasz Górnicki -- Łukasz Opaliński (1581–1654) -- Łukasz Opaliński (1612–1666) -- Count Karpinski -- Dassanowsky -- House of Sobiesław -- Kalinowski family -- Korab -- Movileşti -- Piłsudski (family) -- Radwan Dąbrowski-Żądło Family -- Tyzenhaus -- Von Plötzke -- Adam Poniński (1732-1798) -- Aleksander Albert Krajewski -- Aleksander Ignacy Lubomirski -- Aleksander Michał Sapieha -- Anna Leszczyńska (1699-1717) -- Antoni Kazimierz Ostrowski -- Barbara Lubomirska (17th century) -- Barbara Zápolya -- Benedykt Chmielowski -- Bogoriowie -- Boleslaw-Yuri II of Galicia -- Casimir II the Just -- Casimir IV, Duke of Pomerania -- Coloman of Lodomeria -- Dönhoff -- Eustachy Tyszkiewicz -- Filon Kmita -- Firlej family -- Franciszek Salezy Jezierski -- Franciszka Urszula Radziwiłłowa -- Fryderyk Sapieha -- Gabriel Podoski -- Heiress Maria of the Duchies of Galicia -- Helen of Znojmo -- Helena Zamoyska -- Henry II the Pious -- Henry III the White -- Jakub Szczawiński -- Jan Czarnowski -- Jan Feliks Tarnowski -- Jan Zborowski -- Jan of Czarnków -- Janusz Aleksander Sanguszko -- Janusz I of Warsaw -- Jerzy Cardinal Radziwiłł -- John, Duke of Ziebice -- Jozef Michal Poniatowski -- Julia Lubomirska (1764–1794) -- Józef Judycki -- Kazanowscy -- Kazimierz Leon Sapieha -- Konrad I, Duke of Silesia-Glogau -- Konstanty Kazimierz Brzostowski -- Konstanty Tyszkiewicz -- Krzysztof Michał Sapieha -- Ksawery Lubomirski -- Lev II of Galicia -- Lewart coat of arms -- Marianna Zamoyska -- Michal Maria Czartoryski -- Michał Bolesław Zygmuntowicz -- Michał Hieronim Krasiński -- Michał Kazimierz Pac -- Mieszko I Tanglefoot -- Mikołaj Hlebowicz (d.1632) -- Mikołaj Sapieha (1588-1638) -- Mikołaj Szyszkowski -- Paweł Stefan Sapieha -- Rafał Leszczyński (1526-1592) -- Rozalia Lubomirska -- Siemowit IV, Duke of Masovia -- Silesian Piasts -- Simeon of Trubetsk -- Stanisław Ledóchowski -- Stanisław Lubomirski (1722–1782) -- Symeon Perski Trubetsky -- Tomasz Sapieha -- Wojciech Dębołęcki -- Władysław Gurowski -- Władysław Opolczyk -- Władysław of Salzburg -- Yuriy Trubetskoy -- Zbigniew Firlej --

[edit] B: Place here articles not wanted either in the List of szlachta or in subsection A.

20th century (technically can be added to the list, if you want)

Anthony Radziwill -- Carole Radziwill -- Lee Radziwill -- Countess Karolina Lanckorońska -- Count Karol Lanckoroński -- Maria Amparo, Countess of Vista Alegre -- Ludwig zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg -- Anna Christina Radziwill -- Tadeusz Gosiewski -- Jan Trubecki --

Not Polish

Aldona Ona -- Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky -- Elizabeth Lacković -- Yuriy I of Halych -- Vladimir Waloc Trubetsky Fyodor Nikitich Trubchevsky -- Wigund-Jeronym Trubchevsky -- Aleksey Trubchevsky -- Sigrid the Haughty -- Lev Danylovich -- Elisabeth of Austria (d. 1505) -- Maria Josepha of Austria -- Marie Casimire Louise de la Grange d'Arquien -- Yefim Chaplits -- Casimir Gzowski -- Nikolai Ivanovitch Sviatopolk-Mirskii --

Royalty, not nobility

Anna Jagiellon -- Anna of Masovia -- Isabella Jagiełło -- Gertrude of Poland -- Władysław Opolski -- Agnes of Babenberg -- Anna of Byzantium -- Rikissa of Poland -- Władysław I Herman -- Władysław II the Exile -- Władysław III Spindleshanks Zbigniew of Poland -- John Albert Vasa -- Mieszko III the Old -- Mieszko IV Tanglefoot -- Leszek I the White -- Leszek II the Black -- Kazimierz II the Just -- Konrad I of Masovia -- Mindowhowna -- Bezprym -- Catherine Jagiellon -- Alexander Charles Vasa -- Bogusław XIV of Pomerania -- Boleslaus George II of Masovia -- Bolesław I the Tall -- Bolesław II the Bald -- Bolesław II the Bold -- Bolesław III Wrymouth -- Bolesław IV the Curly -- Bolesław V the Chaste -- Casimir IV of Pomerania -- Charles Ferdinand, Duke of Opole -- Constance of Austria -- Cymburgis of Masovia -- Rzepicha -- Siemomysł -- Siemowit -- Popiel -- Lestko -- Chościsko -- Henryk I the Bearded -- Henryk II the Pious -- Henryk III the White -- Henryk IV Probus -- Saint Casimir --

Too early (knights, <15th century)

Jan Piast -- Rafał z Tarnowa -- Zbigniew Cardinal Oleśnicki -- Zbigniew Oleśnicki (Primate of Poland) -- Mikołaj z Bogorii i Skotnik -- Jan z Melsztyna -- Jan z Tarnowa -- Jan z Tarnowa (1367-1433) -- Jarosław z Bogorii i Skotnik -- Gniewosz z Dalewic -- Powała of Taczew -- Przedpełko Kropidłowski -- Spytek z Melsztyna -- Spytek z Melsztyna (1322-1399) -- Spytek z Tarnowa i Jarosławia -- Zbigniew z Brzezia -- Wojciech z Bogorii i Żminogrodu -- Piotr z Bogorii i Skotnik -- Stanisława z Bogorii i Skotnik -- Janusz Suchywilk -- Jakub Świnka --

Dubious

Leelee Sobieski -- John Sobieski Stuart --

Not people

Żupan -- With Fire and Sword -- Gallery of Jan III Sobieski -- Pas kontuszowy -- Niasviž Castle -- Radziwiłł Chronicle -- Lubomirski Coat of Arms -- Ossolin -- Ossolineum -- Ostrogski Coat of Arms -- Czartoryski Museum -- Czartoryski-Schlössel -- Hôtel Lambert -- Svyatopolk-Mirsky -- Gaude mater Polonia -- Branicki (Gryf) -- Gosiewski (Korwin) -- Gosiewski (Ślepowron) -- Princes Czartoryski Foundation -- Palais Lanckoronski -- The Princely Houses of Poland -- Coat of arms of Lubomirski -- Coat of arms of Ostrogski -- Mir Castle Complex --

[edit] C: Categories to be searched

The bot will look for potential additions to the List of szlachta in this list of categories. You may add any other categories to this list, for example from subsection D below. Use the format [[:Category:XXX]] (the colon (:) shows up twice!).

Category:Polish nobility -- Category:Polish noble families -- Category:Polish nobility stubs -- Category:Bogoriowie -- Category:Branicki (Gryf) -- Category:Branicki (Korczak) -- Category:Chodkiewicz -- Category:Chołodecki -- Category:Czartoryski -- Category:Dzieduszycki -- Category:Firlej -- Category:Jabłonowski -- Category:Kazanowski -- Category:Koniecpolski -- Category:Kostka -- Category:Krasiński -- Category:Lanckoroński -- Category:Leszczyński -- Category:Lubomirski -- Category:Massalski -- Category:Odrowąż -- Category:Opaliński -- Category:Ossoliński -- Category:Ostrogski -- Category:Poniatowski -- Category:Potocki -- Category:Raczyński -- Category:Radziwiłł -- Category:Rzewuski -- Category:Sanguszko -- Category:Sapieha -- Category:Sieniawski -- Category:Sobieski -- Category:Sołtyk -- Category:Tarnowski -- Category:Tarło -- Category:Umiastowski -- Category:Wielopolski -- Category:Wiśniowiecki -- Category:Zamoyski --

[edit] D: Potential searchable categories

Move up to subsection C any categories which the bot should search for missing articles in the List of szlachta.

[edit] E: Articles in List of szlachta not in categories

May be redirects or articles which should be removed/categorized.

Stawicki -- Elżbieta Czartoryska (1736-1816) -- Jan Wielopolski (XVII-1688) -- 1795 -- Jerzy Radziwiłł -- Zasławski -- Emilia Plater -- Edward Raczyński (1891-1993) -- Dominik Dziewanowski -- Umiastowski -- Alfons Anton Felix Count Taczanowski -- Chodkiewicz -- Sobieski -- Voivode -- Augustyn Józef Czartoryski -- List of Polish rulers -- Janusz Radziwiłł (1612-1655) -- Hlebowicz -- Mikołaj Światopełk-Mirski -- Katarzyna Ostrogska (1560-1579) -- List of Polish coats of arms -- Jan Klemens Branicki -- Stanisław Leszczyński -- Stanisław Szczęsny Potocki -- Łukasz Opaliński (1612-1666) -- Szpakowicz -- Adam Jerzy Czartoryski -- Eliza Branicka -- Żółkiewski -- Jakub Ludwik Sobieski -- Plater (von Broel) -- The Princely Houses of Poland -- Marie, Countess Walewski -- Ostroróg -- Łukasz Opaliński (1581-1654) -- Stanisław Poniatowski (1754-1833) -- Jerzy Radziwiłł (1556-1600) -- Karnakoewski -- Barbara Lubomirska (XVI-) -- Alfred Józef Potocki -- Adam Hieronim Sieniawski (1576-1616) -- Andrzej Bobola -- Jan Tęczyński (?-1583) -- Rafał Leszczyński (1579-1636) -- Michał Fryderyk Czartoryski -- Antoni Radziwiłł -- Kazimierz Jordan-Rozwadowski -- Ledóchowski -- Katarzyna Ostrogska (1602-1642) -- Kasimir Felix Graf Badeni -- Trubecki -- Jan Kostka (1529-1581) -- Scientist -- Lisowski -- Jerzy Sebastian Lubomirski -- Teresa Kunegunda Sobieska -- Stanisław Poniatowski (1676-1762) -- Vilna -- Artur Potocki (1787-1832) -- Adam Hieronim Sieniawski (1623-1650) -- Sieniawski -- Social class -- Election -- Julkowski -- Stanisław August Poniatowski -- Kalinowski -- Stanisław Herakliusz Lubomirski -- Didnia -- Tiedemann Giese -- Troki -- Monarch -- Anna Krystyna Lubomirska -- Władysław Franciszek Jabłonowski -- Chorąży -- Krzysztof Mikołaj "the Lightning" Radziwiłł -- Rzewuski -- Hieronim Augustyn Lubomirski -- 1682 -- Partitions of Poland -- Denhoff -- Alexandre Joseph Count Colonna-Walewski -- Rycerz -- Marshal -- Jan Zamoyski -- Ludwik Pac -- Poland -- 1716 -- Count palatine -- Maria Klementyna Sobieska -- 1683 -- Korecki -- Maria Leszczyńska -- Karol Stanisław Radziwiłł (1669-1719) -- Zamoyski -- Izabela Fleming -- Anna Kostka (1575-1635) -- Maksymilian Taczanowski -- Castellan -- Queen regnant -- Stanisław Koniecpolski -- Kanclerz -- Kurnatowski -- Wodyński -- Stadnicki -- Dominik Radziwiłł -- Wincenty Krasiński -- Lubomirski -- Jan "Scibor" Taczanowski -- Konstanty Kalinowski -- Woroniecki -- General -- Stanisław Kostka (1487-1555) -- Zygmunt Krasiński -- Adam Kazimierz Czartoryski -- Fiodor Nikiticz Trubecki -- Pac (family) -- Second Polish Republic -- Stanisław Lubomirski (1722-1782) -- Radziwiłł -- Hetman -- Andrzej Leszczyński (1553-1606) -- Józef Antoni Poniatowski -- Jan Aleksander Koniecpolski -- Janusz Radziwiłł (1579-1620) -- Czartoryski -- Stanisław Lubomirski (1704-1793) -- Raczyński -- Rafael Taczanowski -- Tyszkiewicz -- Knight -- Anna Jabłonowska -- Rycerstwo -- Gosiewski -- Pawel Czartoryski -- Leczyca -- Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth -- Bolesław Prus -- Wielopolski -- Tarnowski -- Jan Tęczyński (1485-1553) -- Antoni Benedykt Lubomirski -- Bishop -- Delfina Potocka -- Adam Ludwik Czartoryski -- 1735 -- Włodzimierz Wałoc Trubecki -- Kmita -- Kostka -- Nobility -- 15th century -- Władysław Krzysztof Grabiński -- Mikołaj Firlej (?-1601) -- Zbaraski -- Stanisław Kazanowski -- Stanisław Tarnowski (1837-1917) -- Sapieha -- Julia Lubomirska (1764-1794) -- Jan III Sobieski -- List of Poles -- Potocki -- Battle of Vienna -- Galicia (Central Europe) -- Zebrzydowski -- 1637 -- Prince-Bishop -- Kingdom of Poland (1385–1569) -- Koniecpolski -- Bogdan Chmielnicki -- Bogacki -- 1569 -- Andrzej Taczanowski -- Grand Duchy of Lithuania -- Mikołaj "the Black" Radziwiłł -- Kazimierz Gzowski -- Działyński -- Wincenty Gosiewski -- Alfred Niezychowski -- Rembrandt -- Mniszech -- Princess Tamara Laura Czartoryska-Borbon -- Andrzej Trebicki -- Jan Stawicki -- Konstancja Czartoryska (1700-1759) -- Ogiński -- Lanckoroński -- Wiśniowiecki -- Tęczyński -- Firlej (family) -- Wacław Sobieski --

Refresh the above lists

[edit] Old talk

I'd like to list of all important szlachta (szlachcice) of Poland and Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth here. Perhaps a category will follow... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:49, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

A hell of a work awaits you then. I hope that you know that the szlachta constituted some 10% of population of Poland and Lithuania, which means that there were some million members of szlachta per every generation... Finding the notable ones is a really hard task. Good luck! [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 21:03, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

It is a big project, but for now I am interested mainly in the XVII century. And when it comes to 'important' I doubt it there were more then few dozens per century... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:33, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Wazas

Are members of House of Vasa szlachta or not? Jan Olbracht Waza, Aleksander Karol Waza, Wladyslaw IV Waza, etc.? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:03, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Are you asking about indigenatum or about them being gentry? [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 19:49, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

Errr...I am afraid I don't understand your question. What is indigenatum? Basically I wonder if they should be added to the list or not. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 21:49, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure what is the proper English name (if they have any). Just check the pl:Indygenat article, it's all there. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 22:00, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

Right, so they were indigenatum-ers? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 14:35, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

No idea. But I guess so, since the nation could not elect a king that would not be its member. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 19:31, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] List of non-szlachta

I am thinking of making list of people related to the PLCommonwealth other then szlachta. I am not sure how to call it. For now, I will use this section for the temporary list, after we have some entries perhaps I or you will have a better idea what to do with it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:14, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Jan Łaski, (1499-1560), archibishop, primate

* Marcin Kromer (1512-1589) - or was he a szlachcic? I can't find conclusive answer...

Na Pl. wiki pisze ze w 1552 zostal przyjety do szlachty. [1] jego herb i info [2].--Emax 17:06, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Tnx. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:07, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Wawrzyniec Grzymała Goślicki (1530-1607)
Piotr Skarga (1536-1612)
Michał Sędziwój (Michael Sendivogius) (1566-1636)
Johannes Hevelius (1611-1687) (born in Gdansk)
Gabriel Fahrenheit (1686-1736) (born in Gdansk, German family, emigrated)

* Kazimierz Pułaski (1745-1779) - szlachta or not? no info in his article

Stanislaw Staszic (1755-1826)

* Tadeusz Kosciuszko (1746-1817)

Gdzies czytalem ze wywodzil sie z rodziny szlacheckiej uzywajacej herbu Roch III--Emax 17:06, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Jakbys mogl potwierdzic zrodlo bylbym bardzo wdzieczny :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 11:40, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Gdzies przypadkowo na to wpadlem, szukajac innego herbu. Wpisz w wyszukiwarke Kosciuszko Roch III itd. moze szybko znajdziesz :)--Emax 14:59, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Mam cos http://spkosciuszkowcy.republika.pl/hist/patron.htm--Emax 00:56, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

Dzieki, przenosze go :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 11:03, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Arthur Schopenhauer (1788–1860) (born in Gdansk, emigrated as a child to Germany)

[edit] Polski Słownik Biograficzny

Tnx to the help of dr Marek Jerzy Minakowski, the list of people mentioned in the giant Polish Biographical Dictionary is here: List of Poles from Polski Słownik Biograficzny. Or will be as soon as I can figure how to convert ~25,000 entries into a Wiki-readable format. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 12:53, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Szlachciura

This template should develop into a useful tool.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 02:52, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New category

What do you think about creating a new Category:Polish noble families, for the families? We have quite a few now. It would be a subcategory of Category:Noble families, and be equal for example to Category:Russian noble families.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 05:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Szlachta" vs. ?

A distinction is made in this article that eludes me. We are told that "Szlachta is the proper term for Polish nobility beginning about the 15th century. Individuals listed as having lived earlier [none are so listed] should be referred to simply as Polish 'nobility,' not as 'szlachta.'" How does "simple Polish 'nobility'" translate into Polish? logologist|Talk 04:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Rycerze, możni. To the best of my knowledge szlachta was the term used from around 15th century, not earlier. Woje Mieszka czy rycerze spod Grunwaldu to nie szlachta przeciez?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 04:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title

Since this article deals, by its own statement, essentially with Poland's magnates, wouldn't it more properly be titled "List of Polish magnates"? logologist|Talk 20:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

There are quite a few non-magnates here as well, as well as ancestors and 20th century descendants. Besides, it's hard to draw a clear line between magnates and non-magnates - it's like trying to differentiate between high class and middle/lower classes, but without benefit of income/wealth statistics (in most cases). While I don't doubt that eventually we will have enough data (and wikipedian power :>) to create a list of magnates, I think that time is still far away.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 01:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Complete list?

Is it coplete list of Polish nobility? I am not sure if I belong to szlachta. One of my ancestor had a surname Sivitsky or (I don't know Polish transcription). Can anybody help me? Igor Skoglund
- It is certainly not a complete list - rather a list of most famous noblesz. Try external links to associations of Polish nobility, they may be able to help you.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 02:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naming of szlachta

I think you all know that many ways of writing names and surnames of Polish-Lithuanian nobles exist (Lithuanian, Polish an Belarussian). For example : Michał Kazimierz Radziwiłł , Mykolas Kazimieras Radvila, Міхал Казімер Радзівіл. In my opinion nobles that lived in Poland before Union of Lublin should be named only in polish way. Names of nobles taht lived in Grand Duchy of Lithuania should be written in Lithuanian and Belarussian. Nobles of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth should have names written in all three languages. Sometimes even adding variants of other languages. For ex. Bogdan Khmelnycki should be written in Polish, Lithuanian, Belarussian and Ukrainian.