Talk:List of sunken battlecruisers

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Contents 1 Welcome to Editors 2 Warning to Editors 3 Invitation to Contributors 4 My edits here

[edit] Welcome to Editors

Welcome! I hope you enjoy improving this article as much as I did constructing it. My vision for this article is that it focuses on information related to the loss and current status of these ships, and that it enables understanding of the similarities and dissimilarities in:

• The story of the loss of these ships.
• The current conditions of these ships.
• Issues in preserving the remains of these ships.

My vision is that this article is generally "subservient" to the general article about battlecruisers and "subservient" to all the specific articles about the individual ships. Interesting information about the career histories of the various individual ships should be contributed to the individual ship-specific articles. Key summary information about each ship is appropriate here. Beyond summary information, however, I believe that all the interesting details about a specific ship should be used to expand the article on that specific ship.

[edit] Warning to Editors

Once you get beyond the most famous ships, I think you'll find a great deal of incomplete, inaccurate, or misleading information on the Internet about warships. I've read puzzling articles about Chilean aircraft carriers battling Japanese submarines and about a Spanish armada destroying Admiral Darlan's most modern ships. It is hard to tell if these are reprinted 1930s era propaganda or modern alternative history fiction. The Internet can be an "echo chamber" where incorrect "facts" get re-used and re-printed over and over, making it hard to properly utilize the journalistic rule about three independent sources for a fact.

When contemplating adding historical facts about these ships, please be careful about your sources and references, so that you don't import external errors and misinformation into Wikipedia.

[edit] Invitation to Contributors

Much of the information in this article should be a subset of information in the articles about the individual warships. You are invited to help expand or improve the individual articles about the ships mentioned here.

We need more pictures! As there are separate articles about many of these ships, I would recommend that we only include here pictures related to the sinking of the ships or to exploration or conservation of the wrecks. We need to find available pictures and properly import them into Wiki Commons for us to use.

[edit] My edits here

I've made a series of edits to this article; some minor and mundane (linking to ship articles, fixing typos, unencyclopedic section headers, etc.) to correcting factually incorrect or removing irrelevant statements.

For example, the entry on the German battle(ship/cruiser) had several incorrect statements; first, the ships were armed with 11" guns because Versailles stipulated that only one 15" gun could be made per year. That they were intended to be armed with 15" guns when enough became available should be enough to dispel the myth that they were built in the tradition of the Imperial German battlecruisers, sacrificing main guns for speed. Also, it states that most naval historians classify them as BCs, this is incorrect. Janes ('46-'47 edition, as well as the '96 edition) labels them as battleships, as does William H. Garzke's Battleships: Axis and Neutral Battleships in World War II (1985).

Also, no battlecruisers were built under Roosevelt's tenure. Regardless, even if he did insist on them, none were built and subsequently sunk or scuttled, so it's irrelevant to this list. The same holds true for the Soviets under Stalin. Parsecboy 23:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

That's the first I've seen on FDR being keen on BCs. Given the amount of time he was running the country and the number of BCs which entered construction (0) it seems unlikely. The Alaska class cruisers seem to have been a concept developed by the USN. --Nick Dowling 09:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Right, and the Alaskas were basically enlarged cruisers; not lightly armored battleships. Parsecboy 11:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Based on the contributions and edits provided, I am removing the essay warning tag as no longer relevant.

Carl Gusler (talk) 03:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)