Talk:List of sportspeople by nickname

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[edit] New Suggestion

hey just an idea here but i reckon it would be better to seperate the nicknames into what sport they played, and maybe seperate the article in the same way so this page would just redirect to the smaller articles on that speficic field, t'would be a lot easier for navigational purposes Peace Out (Crabman123 00:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Suggestions

Hello SigPig! Interesting idea you had about making a List of athletes by nickname. I have been very busy making a list of NHL players by team and when checking double redirects and other bad links, I happened to run across your list when I went to "what links here" for Gump Worsley. Two suggestions: firstly, set up the table of contents similar to it is on List of Montreal Canadiens players so that your list is all alphabetical. Secondly, I noticed that nothing actually links to your list. There is no way to actually find your list from other pages. Masterhatch 16:32, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Good idea. I'll start on that soonest. SigPig 21:29, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Apparently, 86.197.45.41 added several names. However, a quick google search showed that they lead to nothing, except French 6th or 7th division ice hockey players. I suggest we erase them. Mrbluesky, 11:22, 12 November 2005

[edit] Hockey

  • Got to C for hockey disambig. D-Rock 05:54, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Done through J D-Rock 23:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Got through R D-Rock 19:59, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the cleanup, friend. I didn't have enough Ritalin to tackle that myself. SigPig 00:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Happy to do it. Eases my obsessive compulsive tendancies. D-Rock 20:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Finally done. D-Rock 20:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Somebody missed Moose Watson... Trekphiler 12:23, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Air Canada" Carter

Why remove the "Air Canada" entry? If it was once his nickname, it should still be in there; the article is a collection of athlete's nicknames, current and erstwhile. SigPig 00:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I couldnt agree more. The same goes for Steve "Franchise" Francis, who has since been traded to Orlando. Mrbluesky 15.08, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Coppi edit

I don't actually speak Italian, but I'd Q if it means "champion of champions", which ought to come out something like "campino di tutti campini"; I rather think it's more like "champion to the max", like bravissimo. Trekphiler 05:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sugar Ray?

I've heard Leonard didn't actually like being called that, believing it belonged to Robinson. Trekphiler 06:36, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Super Mex?

Was Trevino actually called that? Trekphiler 11:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lancastrian

Was Ron Lancaster called "The Little General"? Trekphiler 12:58, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unattested

I came across Ray "Crash" Corrigan, John "Buddy" Lewis, & a variety of guys nicknamed "Speed" on the List of Wheaties boxcovers. Anybody who can confirm, will you please include them here? Trekphiler 14:42 & 14:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Gutting the article

Yo, Mrbluesky! Why did you remove all the names you did in the last edit (without any commentary)? I mean, c'mon -- even I've heard of Whitey Ford. Inquiring minds want to know -- I've reverted until then. SigPig 01:39, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'm assuming good faith, that the article is perhaps getting too big (53K), and it was decided to trim the fat (but "Whitey Ford"?). A suggestion then -- maybe the list should be divvied up according to sport -- "baseball", "football" (including all AUSCANUSUK varieties), "basketball", "boxing", and "other", similar to the hockey list. SigPig 01:46, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, sir, I don't know what happened. I don't remember having erased those knicknames (which are, by the way, perfectly acceptable), but the history section doesn't lie. BTW, splitting the list is a brillant idea. Once again, sorry for the mess (sleep deprivation, I guess...). Mrbluesky 22:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

No worries, I didn't think it was vandalism. I've already started a List of baseball nicknames article; next one after that I figure will be List of boxing nicknames. Once the baseball list is good, I'll start removing the lads from the Sports list. And I spent 20 years in the CF, so I know about sleep dep. SigPig 13:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grumpy Bill Jenkins

The link on the page for Grumpy goes to some politician, not Grumpy Jenkins the drag racer, currently residing in Malvern PA, who's race team is running 5th in points (as of Saturday), If there is no Grumpy Jenkins page (seems to be so) the link to someone else should be removed 204.214.109.178 16:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Ya shoulda added a page on the Grump, you're more up to date on his career than me! Trekphiler 14:42 & 14:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi there , I notice that List of hockey nicknames has a tag on top of it that suggests merging that list with this one. I also see that you've had discussion deciding to break the list up and make one for each sport. I think that's a great idea. A huge list of every sport-person is just too long and unwieldy. I like having a hockey-only list. It makes useful information easier to find. I vote to take the 'merge' tag off the List of hockey nicknames page. ColtsScore 04:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussted?

OK, my C$0.02 worth: merge the pages. They're hard enough to find without having more than one page. And how 'bout a link to 'nicknames', where I looked & found no mention of an entire page of them I knew existed. Sheesh! Trekphiler 19:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No bull

Wasn't Nuvolari known as 'The Bull' of someplace? (His birthplace, I'd guess). Trekphiler 20:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] New to the Game

Hey everybody. I am completely new to Wikipedia editing let alone the List of Baseball Nicknames. I like the idea of having a list of all sports nicknames, if the sports are separated somehow because you get a flavor of the history of each sport. If the list of baseball nicknames gets merged will it continue to exist in the Baseball section? I would like it to. Chitownfcko 14:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3 Questions

Three questions: First, in each entry on the list is a country. Does this represent the country the player played in or the country of birth? Second, how exhaustive of a list is this? There are tens and tens of Chicks, Reds, Rubes and Docs. Should all of them be compiled regardless of how long they played or how significant their career was? I would vote yes. Third, should players' names who don't have a page on Wikipedia such as Bing Miller be formatted as a link to a non existant page or just be plain text? Chitownfcko 14:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC

[edit] Hit Jim Rome in the mouth?

Do we really need to include his "Chris"? It's not like anybody else uses it... Trekphiler 07:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Duke of One?

I deleted Formula One from Duke Nalon. He was a midget & Indy roadster driver, & never raced in Europe. Trekphiler 08:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Mobile Chicane

de Crasheris isn't the only one described this way... Trekphiler 11:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Count von Count

I added "Cannonball" Baker, Cotton Henning, Chick Hirashima, "Clay" Regazzoni (which I always thought was his actual name...), "Charging Charlie" & "Charging Comet" Glotzbach, "Count von Crash", & "King of the Used Cars" Darel Dieringer (after the so-called "Used Cars Division" of NASCAR, as ex-Mercury-equipped racers were briefly known), among others, from Cutter & Fendell's Encyclopedia of Auto Racing Greats (Prentice-Hall, 1973). Trekphiler 01:49 & 03:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambig

I turned this article into a disambig, it's still poorly sourced, and all that info is already in subpages, which are better sourced and which I'm cleaning up. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 02:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The pages you linked to do not serve the purpose of the list you deleted. In four of the so-called subpages devoted to individuals the athletes are alphabetized by their surnames rather than by nickname. In addition, this list allowed for an overview of the use of particular nicknames for athletes in several sports. (Two more points: The lists you've linked to are in general as poorly sourced as the one you've deleted, and the lists of team and stadium names seem to have no connection with the topic at hand.) A change such as the one you've undertaken requires discussion rather than unilateral action, and I'm reverting it until consensus is established to support it. Deor 03:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who-san?

Can somebody include a translation of Gan-san? Trekphiler (talk) 20:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Doki-san?

Can somebody include a translation of Doki-Doki? Trekphiler (talk) 15:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Questionable inclusions

Despite the fact that they are technically nicknames, I don't think that nicknames which are just truncated forms of the person's actual first name should be included, e.g. "Bobby" for Bobby Unser (actual first name "Robert"), or "Mick" for Mick Doohan (actual first name "Michael"). I mean, how many thousands of sports-playing "Billy"s, "Bobby"s and "Mike"s must there be? Thoughts? DH85868993 (talk) 02:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Likewise, I also question the inclusion of nicknames which are just the person's last name with "-y" or "-o" added, e.g. "Skaifey" (Mark Skaife). Thoughts? DH85868993 (talk) 15:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd rather have them stay. These knicknames are not that numerous. Mrbluesky (talk) 16:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Take 'em out. I'd only include the non-English, like Sandro Nannini, say. Trekphiler (talk) 17:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Trekphiler, are you talking about the first-name-based ones or the last-name-based ones now? Mrbluesky (talk) 22:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] No Big?

The listing is "Big Daddy Kane". Is that specific, or can he be moved under "Big Daddy"? Trekphiler (talk) 17:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] KFC?

Would including The Chicken be out of line? Trekphiler (talk) 17:16, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dai Nihon?

Somebody put in [[Japanese people|Japanese]] rather than [[Japan|Japanese]], which actually makes a lot of sense. Should they all be changed? Trekphiler (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe Wikipedia convention is to link someone's nationality to the article about the country (i.e. Japan in this case) rather than the ethnic group (Japanese people). Certainly that's how it is for all the motorsport articles with which I'm familiar. I'd suggest leaving them as they are. DH85868993 (talk) 00:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Duplication

I've been alerted to the existence of the following articles:

Should we remove names from this general list which are already included on one of the other lists? (And perhaps add a note to that effect near the top of the article?) DH85868993 (talk) 23:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

And/or, rather than just having one big alphabetical list, should we divide the list into sections per sport, like List of sportspeople who have died during their playing career? Then, in (for example) the "cricket" section, rather than a list, we would just have a link to List of nicknames used in cricket. DH85868993 (talk) 03:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Support. It needs to be done, but it's a massive job. The sub articles should be made sortable tables though, like List of football (soccer) players by nickname, to be of any use. MickMacNee (talk) 09:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Support. The sooner the better, for the masterlist is really too big as of now. Mrbluesky (talk) 12:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Split into sports

I've made a start by at least splitting the entries into sports so the amount of duplication can be assessed, or sections can be split off if anyone wants to. It is a bit hit and miss formatting wise, but it should be tabulate-able by simply cutting and pasting the source, as I have included the name on each line as opposed to nested, and the use of '=' allows distinction between the division between nickname and full name, both of which caused problems converting this from the previous version. FYI the current list has over 1600 names!. MickMacNee (talk) 00:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

P.S Four entries for which I'm not sure which football is being referred to were not included in the new version:
(ec, I'd intended to add this to the preceding section, but I'll move it here) I'd just like to go on record as opposing the division into sections by sport just carried out by MickMacNee. For me, one of the charms of this list as it stood was the view it gave of the use of a particular nickname ("Babe," for instance) for athletes in multiple sports. The article is, after all, titled "List of sportspeople by nickname," not "List of sportspeoples' nicknames by sport." Deor (talk) 01:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, I see the advantages of both approaches, but the issue of duplication has to be addressed, therefore imo if this article stays along with the separate lists as well, it should at least be tabulated with a sport column, so that duplicate lists can be compared side by side, which my current edit goes some way to allowing (by removing nesting and adding the '='). MickMacNee (talk) 01:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I have to say I think this is a very bad idea. This is a "master list"; organized by sport, it's catering more to people who already know a given nickname applies to a given sport. I found it much more interesting to find common nicknames across sports, & see how common some are (how damn many "Flying Finns" can there be? Is all Finland that fast, or what? Must be the cold. =] Maybe they're being chased by that 60 year old Swede...?). Also, as it is now, there's an enormous amount of pointless repetition: headed "American football", is it desperately necessary to say the guy's a football player...? I vote revert. Trekphiler (talk) (Flag of Canada 19:22, 19:24, & 19:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
How do you propose keeping the main list and separate lists consistent then? Without the current change, you could not cross check either list without a good few hours of tedious eyeball work. If you notice, it now appears with for example NFL, there was a massive difference between the two. And as a master list, the former version was absolutely useless imho, with for example half the 'footballers' being soccer players, and half american footballers. As said above, rather than revert, if a master list is retained, it should be converted to a table, which thanks to my edit can now be done relative easily using exel and wiki csv converter, and would allow sorting on nickname, player, sport and even nationality, a much more usefull master list than the plain text homogonised mess before. The retention of the numerous repetition of footballer etc is merely a result of the complete mess it was in in the first place, whereby every entry was typed slightly differently and didn't lend itself to quick removal once separated. MickMacNee (talk) 19:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
"How do you propose keeping the main list and separate lists consistent then?" Put 'em on your watchlist. How do you keep articles on related subjects consistent with each other? I've seen Attack on Pearl Harbor, Pacific War, and Isoroku Yamamoto, for instance, all differing on the motivation & usefulness of the attack. I'll bet List of military figures by nickname has some List of nicknames of historical personages doesn't (I've stopped watching both for changes). Doubtless they're not the only examples. More to the point, not everybody even knows this list exists; at a minimum, link to it from all the related lists, so anybody adding there at least thinks about adding the same name here. Or, better still, just merge all the "daughter" lists here...
"half the 'footballers' being soccer players". So fix the descriptors. That's why the U.S./Canadian-ball players were called "football players" rather than "footballers", which is a very common term for soccer players.
Convert to a table? I'd be interested to see how that might look. Trekphiler (talk) 18:42 & 18:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't know what you're arguing here, that it is maintainable or isn't, that you can maintain it or can't. Can you even visaulise the task for someone in the old version when you blithely say just fix the descriptors, nevermind getting down to the real issue of cross checking the list. Tabulating is off the table for now, as someone has re-added the double bullet style for duplicate entries, tabulating needs single line entries to work with the way I know of doing it. And the fact this has only been done on a piecemeal basis should illustrate that doing anything to this list on a big scale is near impossible, as nobody seems to edit it on a whole article basis. MickMacNee (talk) 01:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
An example of tabulated form can be seen at List of football (soccer) players by nickname, but obviously it would have an extra column for the sport. MickMacNee (talk) 01:15, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm asking how does any list of this nature, where there are "daughter" or related lists, get maintained. It ain't easy, & I doubt anybody thinks it is. Your solution is the least attractive, & the table is worse still.
As for fixing the descriptors, what's blithe about it? The sport in question is in the edited text (US/Canadian football or soccer); change ref to "player" or "footballer" as appropriate. Trekphiler (talk) 13:33 & 13:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Have you ever tried to edit this page on a large scale in its former form? I don't think you ever have, but you seem happy for others to do the donkey work for you. I presume you actually know off hand for every single person here that they are american football or soccer. And why is a table a bad idea? It is sortable on nickname and sport. I have no idea what you mean by footballer or football player, suffice to say in soccer both can mean a soccer player. MickMacNee (talk) 13:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BMX and cycling

Shall we merge the BMX and cycling bits together, considering these two are cycling sport —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay Pegg (talk • contribs) 21:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I would say no. Possibly make it a sub-section. MickMacNee (talk) 22:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cueists

Many of the people in the "Pool/snooker" section are described as "snooker cueists" (note the red link). Is the term "snooker player" incorrect/inappropriate? Noting that we have Cat:Snooker players. DH85868993 (talk) 08:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

It's the term of art in the game, from what I've heard. Trekphiler (talk) 19:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)