Talk:List of species in Magic: The Gathering

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[edit] Single Cards

I think we can get rid of certain sections such as Aboroth, Aesthir, Avizoa, Barishi, and Dandan. These creatures don't really have anything special about them, and are mostly just one card as opposed to a whole race. We should stick with sentient species that recur in the Magic storylines. If we gave every single creature in Magic its own section, this article will get huge. If anyone disagrees, however, I would like to hear your opinions on the matter. John 23:31, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

The single-card species should be removed, I agree. About the Broodstar thing; since it's a card, and not a species, it doesn't belong on this page. VDZ

Not having read the novels, I can't say for sure whether or not the single-card species should be removed. I'd think that it should be judged based on both their storyline significance as well as their prevalence on cards. Cheesewizard 22:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Rootwalla? - Deadbraincell 02:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Creature Types

I was under the impression that this article is only for "creature types found in Magic: The Gathering" (as it says at the top of the article). Cytoplast is not a creature type that appears in Magic: The Gathering. The creatures that have "cytoplasts" on them all have creature type "Mutant" (usually in addition to other things. The same can be said of Indrik. Not only is there only one card with "Indrik" in it's name -- it's creature type is also Beast -- which does not appear on the list. Nim is another example of this. While there are a series of creatures with the "Nim" prefix in Mirrodin block, they all posess a creature type of "Zombie". I feel that Cytoplast, Indrik, and Nim sections should all be removed from the article. -- Tahngarth

While I agree Indrik is not prevalent enough to warrant a section, Nim and Cytoplasts are. The article is called creatures of Magic, not creature 'types'. If Nim is to be removed, so is Nezumi, Jhovall, Anurid, Aven, and numerous others.

First of all, Cytoplasts are not even a creature in the magic novels. Cytoplasts are an invention of Momir Vig that enhance the abilities of creatures. And, if the article is meant for creatures of Magic, and no creature types, the first line of the article should be changed, no? It currently reads "This article is a compilation of creature types found in the collectible card game, Magic: The Gathering.". Yeah, creature TYPES. I'll edit it, because that is misleading. -- Tahngarth.

I've been tidying this page up a little but I haven't removed any entries (other than Rootwalla). I also agree that Cytoplasts aren't creatures, Cytoplast is a substance. Being biological in nature doesn't make it a creature to my mind. Should I delete it? -- Dunjohn 22:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kor?

Any information available on the Kor from the Rath Cycle? --SparqMan 17:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article needs root and branch rewriting

This article needs a significant re-write - It's in-universe, it's list cruft, it makes no sense at all to a general reader. look at one of the first sentences -

Mistform Ultimus is a Legendary creature from Legions (What's legions?), and reprinted as a timeshifted (What's time shifted?) card in Time Spiral (What's time spiral?), that has every creature type (what's a creature type?) ever printed in Magic.


Wikipedia is a general readers encyclopedia not a guide for hardcore fans. --Charlesknight 23:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What is the purpose of this aritcle?

So we can start working on improving this article we need to first answer the question: what is the purpose of this article. Why are we bothing to collect a list of fictional races? This doesn't even seem to be a list of cards in the game. Who is going to use this, for what, and how do we verify the data? RJFJR 16:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I found it entertaining to read, which is a use (recreation). Verification of the data could be a problem as I doubt Wizards of the Coast will answer questions on an unofficial list of made-up species, but the various species are described in flavor text on the cards and in the novels. --Twilight 67.38.37.223 21:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I know I have read similar articles on stuff I wasn't familiar with to get a good sense of the type of world it is set in. Figuring out not just what stuff lives in the world, but also how they incorporate it is a good way to find out about the type of setting everything is happening in.Pwright329 (talk) 12:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slivers as seperate article

How about creating a main article for the Slivers, and only give a small description of Slivers on this page? It would make sense, as there's quite a lot of information about the slivers.VDZ 08:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yay slivers. It's an idea. A lot of the stuff in that section is unnecessary, but slivers rock and a new page would be able to keep that stuff and more. - Deadbraincell 02:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I also think it would be a good idea to make slivers a separate article. Also would it be a good idea to update the secton on Freyalise's success, or lack there of, from Planar Chaos. Also even though it is mentioned on a card I don't think Venser has exerted any control yet, so thats an issue of books VS cards. - Bakuhatsusama 01:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indrik

A revision to this section by 68.58.238.179 led me to research this beast. Turns out that the art really meshes well with depictions of indricotherium and doesn't fit with descriptions of the mythical Indrik at all. Although Russia's proximity to Eastern Europe makes me inclined to believe the myth may have been picked up by Wizards, the facts seem to weigh in favor of the indricotherium. I will change it soon unless I receive more information. Shadowin 15:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Art

Who else thinks there should be a card linked to every applicable section? - Deadbraincell 02:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree that some of the more major, abnormal, species such as Slivers, Saprolings and Thrulls should have a link to the card and/or art of atleast one example of the species. - Bakuhatsusama 01:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

also species that are depicted in strange ways, like lorwyn's elves.Pwright329 (talk) 12:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

OK wow this article has 5 tags on it. I would say that most of the sources are covered by the cards. Yeah there is more from other web sites and books, but... - Deadbraincell 19:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Atog

I think there should be more information about Atog, and how a Mirrodin Theme deck featured an Atog. HaLoGuY007 00:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I think if that is noteworthy, than it should be noted that there is a theme deck that featured wierds, izzet gizzmometry. Is being in a theme deck really that note worthy?

[edit] Nephilim appearance

should it be noted tht all five of the nephilims were featured in the novel guildpact?

[edit] Dwarfs

Is there a particular reason there isn't a slot for them. They were rather prevalent in odyssey, and have been in the game from the beginning, although they have seen something of a dicline.

I've put an entry for them in now. It's not much, though, because they never really did much.... Dunjohn 23:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nativeness

As Mirrodin and Rath were both created planes, I imagine that neither could have creatures that were native to rath or mirrodin, it is even explicitly stated that no creatures originated on mirrodin.

--- I've been using the term "Native to" to say what planes the species can be found on, artificial or not. If there's a better word I could use that instead. At any rate, by the time these planes were actually seen in the storyline or on the cards, several generations of every species had passed, making the species as native as it can be. Most of them also feature evolutionary mutations, making them distinct from their relatives on other planes. Dunjohn 10:43, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Slith

Is Slith important enough to list? To me they seem at about the same level of relevance as Judgment's Incarnations or Apocalypse's Volvers, neither of which is really worth devoting space to. Dunjohn 10:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Great Creature Update

With the Great Creature Update, this article needs to be majorly overhauled to cover this, starting by renaming this list to List of races in Magic: The Gathering, and creating a List of classes in Magic: The Gathering. Getting it done before Morningtide is release would be cool. If no one object, I'll start once I'm done with the WP:MilHist Tag & Assess, which ends on the 31st.--Bedford (talk) 22:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To Do

I've just overhauled the list, deleted some of the lesser entries and tidied up most of the rest. I didn't have the time to add any new ones but there are still a few that need covering. Here's a rough list of species I reckon should feature: - Arcbound - Changeling - Dauthi/Soltari/Thakalos - Faerie - Giant - Griffin - Kitsune - Kobold - Kor - Mistform - Ogre - Troll Some possible types: Ape (the apes of Yavimaya were sentient and civilized so they might deserve a mention), Zombie (not sure if it's distinct enough, since anything can become one), Vampire (not an awful lot to go on), Flowstone creatures and Laccoliths (quite minor, but no more than Lupul or Slith), Xira Arien's species (can't remember the name; it was given a lot of creepy detail in the Legends II trilogy). Dunjohn (talk) 20:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

you can cross giant and vampire off the listPwright329 (talk) 11:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lupul

I played heavily through Ravnica block and I have never herd of this, does it really count as a significant entry if it is only actually mentioned by name in the book.Pwright329 (talk) 11:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)