Talk:List of ska musicians

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[edit] Bands that aren't "notable"

Just because you like a band, that doesn't mean the band is important enough to be in this list. The bands should be fairly well-known and influential, otherwise the list will be meaningless and too long.Spylab 19:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)spylab

  • Learn how to spell. It's spelled "notable"...not that difficult, one should hope

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  • Thanks for the tip.Spylab 20:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)Spylab
  • OK, so what's the criterion? Any suggestions about how well-known or influential a band has to be, or how to measure it? 82.45.161.53 23:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

For a start, if the band's not important enough to have its own Wikipedia article, it shouldn't be on this list. There's no point in listing a band name if people can't click on it to find information. As for a scientific method of deciding notability, there isn't really a specific measurement, but the band should be fairly famous and known outside of just their home region. I've seen many other lists of musicians related to different genres of music, and most people seem to figure it out. Take a look at the musicians in the first two sections of this list for an idea of how notable the bands in the third wave section should be. The third wave ska sectionis one of the worst lists for people without Wikipedia accounts adding unknown bands that are only locally important. If every single ska punk band that's been around for a few months is added to this list, it becomes cluttered and irrelevant. And since this list is for all three waves of ska, the third wave section should not overshadow the first two sections, especially since many third wave bands barely even sound like real ska anyway.Spylab 00:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)Spylab

  • But, as it stands, the third-wave column DOES overshadow the other two columns...greatly. Most of the bands featured shouldn't even be ON WikiPedia. For instance, the band known as "Union Jack & The Megaphones" have a semi-professionally written page, yet it still doesn't hide the fact that they were a bunch of high school kids that released two self-made EPs from 1997-2000. I believe the criterion should be that only the bands that had mainstream/chart success and/or were on a major label (or a notable one such as Moon Ska Records or Jump Up!) should be included within the third-wave section.

[edit] Five Iron Frenzy?

Pretty much the only hits that come up on google for Five Iron Frenzy are the Wikipedia article, an article on a Christian music site, lyrics sites and a site selling their CDs. I have seen no evidence that they are in any way notable to the overall ska genre. They seem to be only known within the small Christian ska scene in the United States. This band is constantly added to this list (sometimes along with two other Christian ska bands) by people with no Wikipedia accounts. I suspect that a former member of Five Iron Frenzy is using Wikipedia to promote the (defunct) band. That is considered vanity posting, which is not what Wikipedia is for. This list is for bands that are fairly famous and/or are influential to the overall ska genre.Spylab 04:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

If there's already an article about them then they should be included.Jesusinmysock 19:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC) March 2007

[edit] They Might Be Giants

Last I checked, TMBG wasn't ska, so why is it even on this list? Aederrex 07:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Someone just added them yesterday. I just deleted them today, because there is nothing ska about them. Spylab 10:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 311

As the user above stated, some bands on the list are not, in fact, considered to be ska. For example, 311. 311 is barely ska, as their music does not include the characteristic horn section or the walking bass lines. Yes, I'd definitely define the band 311 as more of a funk-rock band. Definitely not ska.

[edit] Ska-P

Ska-P I wouldn't know how to categorize the band, but should they not be on this list? Maybe I missed something. Bloodbeard 19:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree, Ska-P should definitely be included. Before quitting they were very popular and widely known. I guess i see a lot of names which are much less influential than Ska-P and should not be included... i'll list them in my next coffee break :) Inks002 08:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Ska-p is NOT ska —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.5.67.2 (talk) 09:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Third Wave/Ska punk split

Should Third Wave and Ska Punk be split into two separate sections instead of both being clumped into one? Both genres have their own separate pages, and it's odd to put bands like Hepcat in the same category as Against All Authority. Skibz777 03:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

  • I have a feeling that the split will open a can of worms, since ska punk is part of third wave ska, and even many of the more traditional third wave ska bands have some punk rock influences. For that reason, it will be very difficult to classify many of the bands. For example, Fishbone is currently in the third wave ska section, but they have a lot of punk influences (as well as funk, soul and rock). If the sections have to be split, at the very least ska punk should be a subsection of the third wave ska section.Spylab —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 19:37, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

I was thinking that, but the simplest way (at least to me) is to split up the bands that mainly use distorted power chord guitars, and the bands who mainly use the syncopated ska offbeats. For instance, about 90% of Reel Big Fish's music features distorted guitars, but bands such as The Planet Smashers, The Busters, Bim Skala Bim and Mephiskapheles don't, keeping that constant offbeat that literally defines what ska music is. It's a suggestion, I guess... And then there's some bands that stick out: Fishbone, for instance, started out purely Third Wave, but then developed punk and heavy metal influences much later. The Aquabats!'s first two albums are pure third wave ska with no punk influence, but then their other three albums are pure punk with no ska influence. No Doubt used to be a mod-inspired ska band, but is now completely pop. Where would you define those artists? By what they did then or what they do now? Then there are some who say that ska shouldn't be categorized into waves at all...71.254.162.177 02:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)Skibz777 02:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

  • See, this is where the problems come in. If you play 1960s ska songs next to the most-known songs by The Planet Smashers, The Busters, Bim Skala Bim, Mephiskapheles, Fishbone, The Aquabats and No Doubt, there is no way that those bands could be considered traditional-style ska. They all have strong influences from either punk, pop punk or rock. Maybe the sections should, in fact, be merged into one list, and have the title changed to List of ska and ska-punk musicians. Spylab 10:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, but if you play 1960s ska next to The Toasters, The Pietasters, Let's Go Bowling, or even The Slackers, there's no way THEY could be considered traditional-style. They all have strong pop and rock influences, which is what sort of defines the third wave. But they, along with bands such as Bim Skala Bim, Planet Smashers, etc., lack the strong punk influence that's present in bands like RBF or LTJ. Also, this is just MY opinion, but I think compiling all the names into one lists seems...I dunno, cluttery or something. Ultimately, it's up to the Wiki Admins. as to what to do.Skibz777 08:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I merged the two sections back again, because splitting them caused more problems than it solved. Ska punk is part of the third wave, and there will be much disagreement about whether certain bands should be classified as third wave or ska punk. For examples, the articles of two bands you moved from ska punk to third wave (Bim Skala Bim and The Uptones) both say they play ska punk.Spylab 12:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Okay, I'll settle for the current layout. However, if you've ever listened to BSB or The Uptones, they're definitely not ska-punk; The Uptones are very 2-Tone influenced and BSB are in the same vein as The Toasters...both were some of the original 3rd wave acts back in the early 80s.
  • The only problem I have is that The Toasters are labeled under 2-Tone; 2-Tone exclusively denotes British bands who performed under the record label of that name, where as The Toasters were an American band who formed after the second wave's decline in popularity. Even the page for 'Third Wave Ska' lists The Toasters as the first band of the genre. But I'm probably just being nitpicky. O_oSkibz777 18:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree with you about The Toasters. I have deleted them from the 2 Tone section many times, but somehow they keep sneaking in there. I have deleted them once again.Spylab 18:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sublime

Where the hell is Sublime, I'm not a crazed fan boy but it should be under third wave.156.34.166.13 (talk) 00:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)