Talk:List of shoguns
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[edit] Scope of list
As of June 8, 2008, the list describes itself as "a list of shoguns that ruled Japan intermittently from the establishment of the Kamakura shogunate in 1192 until the end of the Tokugawa shogunate in 1868." However, the list includes 16 Hōjō (who were never shoguns), two princes (who never ruled Japan), and three Tokugawa from after the Meiji Restoration (who were neither shoguns nor rulers of Japan).
What should this list include? What should this list not include? Fg2 (talk) 02:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
- To me the scope of the list cannot be simpler. Those who held the title of "shogan", regardless of whether they had actual power or not. (Similar to the list at the bottom of Sesshō and Kampaku.) Quite often in the history of Japan, it is very hard to identity who is the practical ruler of Japan. I suggest we stick to the inclusion criterion for the list that cannot be disputed. -- Taku (talk) 02:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
