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Is the Special Branch really a secret police org? Thanx 68.39.174.150 11:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

This question has been the cause of considerable reversion and counter-reversion on this page and secret police (likewise the FBI and other US organisations). It all comes down to your definition of a secret police organisation and your politics. -- Necrothesp 15:41, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Don't feel like a revert war so I'll leave it. Thanx 68.39.174.150 22:44, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

not sure why that's controversial. I guess some people take 'secret police' to be a value judgement rather than a neutral category, i.e., something negative associated with enemy states. The Special Branch is certainly 'secret' and 'police' and political, if that's a defining characteristic. Bobanny 17:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Soviet Union 2 SS 3 Updates 3.1 FBI and NSA 3.2 Deleting USA 4 Bundesnachrichtendienst

[edit] Soviet Union

What were the secret police of the Soviet Union called? NeoChrono Ryu 01:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

See List of historical secret police organizations. -- Necrothesp 13:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] SS

Should the SS (Nazi military group) be on this list? I don't know enough about them to know whether they are secret police material ot just an elite military group. NeoChrono Ryu 01:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

No. The Gestapo, who were secret police, were all members of the SS, but the SS itself was not a secret police organisation. In any case, organisations that no longer exist are listed on List of historical secret police organizations, not here. -- Necrothesp 12:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Updates

Some of the agnecies listed clearly belong on the "Historical" page, EG. Taiwan's entry describes an agency that no longer exists. 68.39.174.238 01:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FBI and NSA

Neither the FBI or the NSA are secret police organizations as defined under the secret police wikipedia entry.

[edit] Deleting USA

I'm deleting the USA entries because the US agencies don't meet the definition and their conduct, despite accusations of such, is far from the usual purposes of secret polic which, rougly, is policing dissidents.Atcavage 04:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia says: "Secret police are a police organization which operates in secrecy to maintain national security against internal threats to the state." Therefore which part of this definition contradicts with United States Secret Service? CIA and FBI are not secret police, that is true, but Secret Service conforms to definition. --78.0.86.174 10:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

"When in doubt, cut it out." Secret Service isn't secret, British Military Intelligence does not function as police, but I'm not sure about Ireland's G2 -- were they somehow linked to the IRA???Dfoofnik (talk) 02:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bundesnachrichtendienst

Why is the Bundesnachrichtendienst listed? They certainly aren't a "secret police" organization today. If it is because of their previous incarnation under East Germany, then that should be noted as the reason.--Davidwiz (talk) 21:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)