Talk:List of school-related attacks/Archive 1

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Erfurt

Where's the Erfurt massacre? !!!??? --TheFEARgod (Ч) 11:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

La Trobe University

On May 7th, Sarah Jean Cheney, a 27 year old female science student attacked and repeatedly stabbed Jemma Clancy, a 22 year old behavioural science student with a steak knife. The incident occured in the Borchardt library at the Bundoora campus of La Trobe University. The Sarah Jean Cheney did not know Jemma Clancy personally and expressed that she just had a desire to kill someone. Jemma Clancy was taken to hostipal in a serious but stable condition and has since been released.

I don't know how to edit the tables, sorry. 131.172.4.45 03:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Where is La Trobe University? and do you have and sources that you can cite? - HammerHeadHuman (talk)(work) 05:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
La Trobe University Everything said above seems to be correct Looking carefully it seems there's a number of mistakes but anyway, the incident is covered in: [1] [2] [3]. Cherries Jubilee 07:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

It appears that this still needs to be added now that sources have been confirmed. Novadestin (talk) 19:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

University of Arizona - Nursing College

I'm confused by the omission of the University of Arizona nursing college shooting of 2002. 4 Dead. Info below:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/29/national/main527308.shtml
http://www.opa.medicine.arizona.edu/news/oct02/victims.htm
http://wc.arizona.edu/papers/97/specials/nursing.html Builttoscale 03:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

It is clearly listed under "College and university school incidents" Novadestin (talk) 18:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

One case from Finland missing from the list

There is one case from Finland, 24.1.1989 at Rauma (small coastal town)

Schoolboy shot two classmates who then died at hospital.

Here are only two references that I was able to find at net (in finnish)

Helsingin Sanomat (leading finnish newspaper - i have no acces further than this preview) http://www.hs.fi/arkisto/haku?pageNumber=1&order=FIFO&advancedSearch=1&free=koulu+AND+surma&date=1990&depa=Kotimaa&fromDay=1&fromMonth=1&fromYear=1990&toDay=1&toMonth=1&toYear=1992

this is other article where this case is referred, seems that it has it correct. http://www.ylioppilaslehti.fi/2006/01/27/koulukiusaamisen-lyhyt-historia/

In Finland firearms and cartridges can be acquired only with a license that is issued by police. Schoolboy used his fathers legal pistols.

:Why wasn't this added? This is mentioned also in Jokela school shooting-aricle with reference. - 86.60.131.177 (talk) 01:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

teacher

Clarence Piggott was shot and killed at Valley High School in Las Vegas Nevada. March 19,1982 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.123.126.106 (talk) 11:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

LeatherEngine (talk) 02:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC) Resource needed.

Another student

Kayla Roland should be added to the Elementary/primary schools list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayla_Rolland

208.120.100.103 06:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Louisiana Technical College

8 Feb 08: Latina Williams shot and killed two other women than killed herself http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=7842633

Somebody add this to the list, please. 70.248.24.131 (talk) 18:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

School shooting

I can't believe you guys don't have VA tech or that ashamed school on here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 15:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Of course VA Tech is there, and it is exactly where it should be. You need to look under the right section. In the table of contents, click on "3 College and university school incidents", then scroll down through the chronologically organized section. --User101010 (talk) 14:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

REGARDING LATEST MAJOR EDITS (July 31, 2007)

It would be considered more appropriate and ethical to proceed to the TALK Section BEFORE attempting to amend/remove another individual's input. Also, if the removed content(s) has legal weight - but does not quite conform to the category it has been found in - perhaps it would be much wiser to KEEP the freely available authoritative and verifiable content - that is not of your work - AND simply amend the Title category - where it was found - to a more appropriate value? Once again, one would have to proceed to the TALK Section and SHARE suggestions before applying biased and uncalled-for edits that are not of one's own input.

AWAITING a valid reply from those concerned... . --just 17:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Page name

All the subsection headers use "killings"; should this page be "list of school killings" instead? Titanium Dragon 21:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Since there is a section for non fatal and foiled attacks I would say no. --67.68.155.33 02:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Present/ Past Tense

It seems like the article switches between past and present tense randomly.

Many Problems With This Page

Firstly, as the top of the talk page anonymously suggests, this list is biased toward the US. Most of the "massacres" occur there, and many are trivial in nature. When these massacres occur in the US they should not be listed simply as "Stockton, California," but rather, "Stockton, California, United States" just as the listings from other countries appear: "Barcelona, Spain."(My mistake, that was a different list I recently saw, but the remainder applies... -HHH) Next, the term massacre hardly applies to many of the entries (as many others have noted), and it doesn't apply at all to the list of "non-fatal" attacks. This list should be different than any other, and should list its sources, I don't think any entries should be included that don't have reputable sources that specifically call the events "massacres." Otherwise this list is almost completely POV, or at least original research. - HammerHeadHuman (talk)(work) 05:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Additionally there is the problem of maintaining the list, which at the present standards would be nearly impossible to keep current and accurate. - HammerHeadHuman (talk)(work) 05:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
We should include the name of the massacre, and the name and age of the shooter in the second column. Christopher Connor 19:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Also, the "description" field should be much more brief. Each entry already contains a link to the event's article, so there is no need for detailed explanations here. Shorter entries will make the list as a whole much more readable - HammerHeadHuman (talk)(work) 19:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Major revisions, name change

I have done some major revisions to this list in the last few hours, but before I post the final product I want to explain my changes here. First, I have only deleted entries that don't warrant a spot on this list (i.e. bomb threats where there was no actual bomb). I have integrated the list of "Other gun related incidents" and "Non-fatal shootings..." with the main list, as it no longer contains only a list of so-called "massacres" (please note, that as a list of massacres, these incidents didn't really belong anywhere near this list, this is a solution to keep the list mostly intact). I have removed most of the piping and from the location links, and simplified them in general. I have shortened some of the descriptions (but only on entries that have actual articles) I have added sections for the attacker's name and age, and for the number of victims (including attacker-suicides). In all honesty this is not a major revision, most of the information is exactly the same, but the layout has changed. Any names that could not be found are marked with "...", additionally, any case where the number of victims and their state (injured/dead) could not be easily found out through the description has been marked with "(?)" following the description. As a final edit I will change the name of this article from "List of school massacres" to "List of school related attacks" to better reflect the contents of this list.

These revisions were meant to address some of the concerns that have been raised on the talk page for this article, I hope that people will be happy with the results. These changes were made first in a sandbox, so any warning tags may have been accidentally erased in the editing process, sorry bout that; please feel free to re-add them. I would love to hear comments/complaints... - HammerHeadHuman (talk)(work) 07:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Good work. I also suggest making the description column wider and location narrower. Christopher Connor 11:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I tried, but the table configures itself automatically. Notice that the location and attacker fields are only as wide as the widest entry in the column. So, the only way to increase the width of the description field would be to decrease the width of one of the other fields. Give it a try if you feel up to it. - HammerHeadHuman (talk)(work) 18:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
For a location like Red Lion, York County, Pennsylvania, you can actually split each part into separate parts, like Red Lion, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania. I suppose you can also do it manual, but I don't know how. Christopher Connor 21:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Final revisions (that I will make) are done for now. I'm going to step away from this one for a while and take a few breaths. I decreased the text size so everything fits a bit more smoothly, rearranged the columns order, increased the intro, and added an image that seemed appropriate for the subject. Hope y'all like it. - HammerHeadHuman (talk)(work) 00:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I like the changes, everything looks neater and simple. I agree the description section needs less information, especially if there is a direct Wiki link to an article about it. I also like the incorporation of ""Other gun related incidents" and "Non-fatal shootings..." with the main list", however I feel the "Foiled or Exposed Plots" list should be removed entirely as it could really be its own list and could easily be much longer. Besides this is list is more for events that actually took place....thoughts? Novadestin (talk) 19:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)