Talk:List of rulers of Provence

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Yes, the Bourbons used Cte. de Provence. A younger brother of Louis XVI was a Cte. de Provence. Wetman 21:59, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Holy Roman Empire/French

Just because the younger brother of the French king became count in 1246 does not mean it became part of France. My understanding was that, like other parts of the old Burgundian kingdom, Provence is generally considered to have remained part of the Empire until it fell into the French royal domain in 1481. Obviously the Counts of Provence, especially the Valois counts after 1382, were more oriented towards France than towards the Empire, but the same is also true of, for instance, the Dukes of Lorraine, who were clearly considered to be part of the Empire. john k 02:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The 1911 Britannica article supports the idea that it was not considered a part of France until 1486. Indeed, Emperor Charles IV was crowned King of Arles in 1365, suggesting it was still considered part of the Holy Roman Empire at least that late. john k 02:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)