Talk:List of roads in Ottawa

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I think all salient points can be covered in a single article (either the main 'Ottawa streets' article, or possible a 'description of Ottawa streets' article. Other than the 'Ottawa streets' article, many are orphans. Neither Alphabetical List of Hoboken streets, nor Alphabetical list of Santa Clara, California streets have links to the individual streets. Possible exceptions: Bank Street,Rideau Street. Many also hog very generic names for commonly used street names around the world. Niteowlneils 06:10, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

• keep As I mentioned in the above debate about shopping malls, this a verifiable fact. In fact, where I live, there are 3 books of about 200 pages about why each and every street in Victoria, British Columbia is named that way. And when we need to disambiguate, we can. Burgundavia 11:33, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
• Sitting on the fence but tending towards keep. As a general rule I don't believe we should have articles on streets, roads, avenues etc unless:
  • the street is of historical, economic or cultural interest eg Wall Street, Fleet Street, Beale Street Memphis (birthplace of the blues)
  • the street is the main street of a reasonably significant centre or regional area or at least a significant street;
  • a famous person real or fictional lived there - ie Sherlock Holmes at 221B Baker Street, London
  • the street contains buildings of national significance to the relevant nation ie White House at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
• Which leads to my concern as Ottawa is the Capital City of Canada we might delete streets containing the Canadian Parliament - I would suggest that we keep the streets in Ottawa that meet the above criteria and that we merge the others into the Ottawa article if appropriate. I would urge caution in case we throw the babies out with the bathwater. Capitalistroadster 13:24, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
• Keep, as a former Ottawa resident a number of these streets are of national reknown and the others are major commerical centres. - SimonP 14:10, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
• Comment. In Wikipedia:Your first article—under construction and in need of community editing and input—I define "local interest articles" as "articles about places like schools, or streets that are of interest to a relatively small number of people such as alumni or people who live nearby. There is no consensus about such articles, but some will challenge them if they include nothing that shows how the place is special and different from tens of thousands of similar places. Photographs add interest. Try to give local-interest articles local color." Dpbsmith 17:33, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
• Comment. Please note that I am NOT suggesting that Wikipedia shouldn't have information/facts about these streets. My concern is whether it is necessary to have 146 separate articles, often using names used by streets in many other cities. Why not a single notable streets of Ontario (or whatever title people think is best) article? I basically agree with the guidelines above by capitalistroadster--there are probably a few streets in every country that deserve separate articles; I just don't believe there are dozens in every city. Also, since many Wikipedians mark anything that doesn't fill the screen as a "stub", I don't think it is in Wikipedia's best interest to create large numbers of articles that will probably be forever marked Stub. Finally, from an end-user perspective, I believe it is FAR more convenient to scroll thru a single article about all notable streets in a given city, than it is to click a street name, hit the Back button, click a street name, hit the Back button, click a street name, hit the Back button, ad nauseum. PS I have no problem keeping all the street names as redirs, at least until they need to become disambiguation pages. Niteowlneils 18:02, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
• These are not encyclopedia articles, they are the geographic equivalent of dicdefs. Bank Street and Main Street (Ottawa) have the hints of real articles peeking through. Either delete or merge into one article. -- Cyrius|✎ 19:00, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
• Delete all except Bank Street, Laurier Street, and Main Street (Ottawa). I agree on the whole w/ Cyrius and Niteowlneils. Some small number of streets deserve mention; for the rest, look in the phone book. WP is not a gazetteer. Wile E. Heresiarch 07:30, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
• Note: none of these entries have a vfd messsage. They should be added and the vote moved to the date they were inserted. - SimonP 22:16, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
• Merge into Ottawa, Ontario and delete. RickK 22:27, Jun 5, 2004 (UTC)
  • Rick as you know and have been told many times, merge and delete is not a valid option. Please stop irritating people by continuing to suggest it. Pcb21| Pete 22:49, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm afraid I'm at a loss. I don't recall having ever been told this, and I completely have no idea why it is not a valid option. Please explain? RickK 06:08, Jun 8, 2004 (UTC)
      • Comment: I think Pcb21 is right on both counts. Anyway, please have a look at Wikipedia:deletion policy#commenting on a deletion request. Andrewa 11:55, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
        • Oh, I see what you're saying. Though I still deny that anyone has every told me that this was wrong, and Pcb's comment was irritating to me, by the way. Well, then, just delete. RickK 22:34, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete --[[User:HamYoyo|HamYoyo (Talk)]] 00:00, Jun 6, 2004 (UTC)
• merge into one or delete. --Jiang 00:28, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
• Keep -- The reason why I created these articles is because I saw that there was a list of streets in London. These pages took a lot of time to write up, and I'd appreciate if my hard work does not go to waste. Earl Andrew 01:32, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
• Keep - as long as it is (becomes) properly disambiguated, is factually correct, and affects a significant number of people (and I suspect tens of thousands of people per day use these roads, which is far more than see a number of operas and art pieces described here), it should not be deleted. I wouldn't encourage people to create them, but if the alternative is to have or not have, having is better. dml 03:12, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
• Keep - more people live, work and travel along each of these roads than in most of the thousands of small towns and villages which have articles to themselves. They may also be useful as stubs, since there is far more that could be and hopefully will be written about them. I do agree about the name-hogging problem. Subsequent disambiguation mitigates the problem, but if articles about streets are to be widespread then perhaps there needs to be an agreed convention for naming them. This might also facilitate robot-assisted maintaining of the disambig pages. Cambyses 03:44, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Hi all

Please could you add references to the articles on Ottowa roads you have created. References (from reliable sources are required for all Wikipedia articles. I will check back in a month or so. Thanks. Proto::type 15:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)