Talk:List of rifle cartridges

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Contents 1 Random 2 Question 3 Another 4 Excess obscure cartridges 5 Sorting? 6 x Caliber pages

[edit] Random

Some thoughts on this page:

1. Why do a number of the metric calibers have spaces between the number and "mm"? Is anyone against re-organizing this list and all the articles with "# mm" so that there are no spaces?

2. Is anybody against making this into more of a table (as in 6_mm_caliber#6_mm_.28.236_in.29_rifle_cartridges for example)?

3. Does anyone have a nice comparison pic like the one on the List of handgun cartridges? A picture with maybe .22LR, 5.56 NATO, .243 Winchester, 7.62 Russian Short, 7.62 NATO, 300 Win Mag, .338, .50 BMG and some sort of reference item (like the battery) would be really nice. Crimson30 16:31, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

4. Why is 7.5x55 Swiss called "Schmitt Rubin". This is an incorrect and very recent American term for Swiss military rifles and cartridges.

I'm not sure how recent. The Schmidt-Rubin name goes back to at least the 1960's - See an old copy of Cartridges of the World ^[1]. I'll check my Ackley ^[2] when I get home to see if it's listed there as well. It's certainly commonly referred to by that moniker, but if someone knows for sure perhaps the listing could be changed and the Schmidt-Rubin listed as an AKA. Arthurrh 20:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

PO Ackley has it listed as ONLY 7.5 x 55 Swiss, no Schmidt-Rubin. Arthurrh 04:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Vihtavuori reloading tables lists it as 7.5x55 Swiss (GP31) --Boris Barowski 22:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

5. In the photo, 7.62x39 is called "7.62 Soviet"....problem is there are several 7.62 Soviet calibers so this term is not precise enough. 7.62x25, 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r are all very common.

[edit] Question

Anyone know why the 9x19mm Para, a pistol round is listed in rifles.

[edit] Another

The 7.62X38R is only used in the nagant hand held revolver. How exactly is rifle defined?

Probably someone made a mistake. Feel free to correct it when you're sure, just leave an explanation in your edit summary so that someone doesn't revert it without understanding. Arthurrh 06:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Excess obscure cartridges

This list, having originally been cultivated from a page from Chuck Hawk's web site, contains a number of fairly obscure cartridges. The list has been filled with these dead links for at least 8 months, and I thought I'd see if anyone would object to a little cleaning up. Just thought I'd put this out there and maybe trim things down at a later date, if nobody objects. Crimson30 22:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Cleaned up some more cartridges and reverted back to proper flat list IAW Wikipedia:When_to_use_tables. Crimson30 19:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Would it be a good idea to list wildcat after the obscure cartridges? like .17 Mach IV (Wildcat). Also, some wildcats are more obscure than others... Which ones should get listed? Or maybe a separate section for wildcats, like in Cartridges of the World? It lists several categories, like Current American, Obsolete American, Wildcat, Proprietary, Military, British Sporting, European Sporting, and Rimfire. Arthurrh 20:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorting?

How are these rounds sorted within each caliber range? It would make sense to me if they were strictly in order of increasing caliber, and then by something else. Another reasonable alternative would be increasing caliber, but with metric and non-metric calibers seperate. (This would make finding a certain round easier.)

Is there some ordering that I just can't see given my lack of sleep? Aij 05:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree... the ordering is a tad haphazard. I would think caliber first, then alphabetical. If you're up for the task, I say go for it! -Crimson30 20:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind. Took care of it myself. --Crimson30 18:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the separate listing of metric and non-metric would make it easier to read, as long as there's a index at the top that makes it clear for people. Arthurrh 20:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I just did the massive creating of categories and sorting by category. I basically did 4 categories, one for rimfire, one for "current", one for really big stuff (.50 and up) and one for wildcat/obscure/proprietary, etc. I think more than that may add to confusion rather than help. Probably I got a few in the wrong categories, please help where you can. I think overall it's easier to deal with now. Arthurrh 21:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] x Caliber pages

In taking a look a the xx caliber pages, such as 2 mm caliber 3 mm caliber 4 mm caliber 5 mm caliber 6 mm caliber 7 mm caliber 8 mm caliber 9 mm caliber 10 mm caliber 11 mm caliber 12 mm caliber 13 mm caliber I wonder if we should drop this list, and just make an index instead that goes to all those pages, and move any cartridges that are here and not there to the appropriate lists. One less long list to maintain that way. Comments? Arthurrh 01:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)