Talk:List of retired Pacific hurricane names

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[edit] Track Map

You forgot Fico!Storm05 18:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

No it doesn't. Fico is in the track map and is the one that goes furthest west. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorttable & Firefox issue

I've been having trouble viewing this page lately, and I've tracked it down to this edit. Revisions before that fine in Firefox, but any after show up as a blank page. Is anyone else having this issue or is it just me? --Ajm81 04:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Weird. I have Firefox, and mine is fine. Hurricanehink (talk) 04:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Looks like there was a problem with my personal .js file. It works fine when I log out. Strange how it worked till recently. --Ajm81 05:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
The table under 'Landfalls' squishes into the image next to it. Good kitty 15:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment Table

EPAC F78 F91 I95 P97 K02
CPAC I82 I92 P97 I06

[edit] Ioke and Paka

I don't think that Ioke and Paka were "retired" the same way Pauline and Iniki were. Here's why:

Consider this National Weather Service Instruction. On page one, it lists several of the old CPac names and their replacements. Notice how a few of the changed names were not used, including Iwa's replacement name, Io. The names that were used and are being changed are: Hana, Hali, Ioke, Li, Nele, Oka, Peke, Paka, Uleki, and Wila. If they are retiring these names for notability I'd like to have a chat with whoever defined notability. If they are retiring Paka for damage and deaths in the Pacific, why are they leaving Oliwa, which was just as bad a typhoon? If they're retiring Hali for being an off-season storm, why are they leaving Ekeka in, which was stronger and also out-of-season?

Consider this NOAA Press Release: Way down in the eleventh paragraph, it says the following:

A revised list of Hawaiian tropical storm/hurricane names has been created for the central Pacific and will be used for the first time during the 2007 hurricane season. The list is a collaborative effort between the CPHC and the University of Hawaii Hawaiian Studies Department to ensure the correct meaning and appropriate historical and cultural use of the Hawaiian names.

In other words, the list was changed to make the names have better meanings and better match Hawaiian culture. I think its just a coincidence that Ioke happened to form the year before replacement and be notable for several reasons. I think that Ioke would have been changed to Iopa no matter what happened, even if it had been a storm like Alika in 2002. Basically, Ioke being notable and Ioke being changed to Iopa are coincidental and had nothing to do with each other.

Hence, Paka and Ioke should be removed from this list and from the template.Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 06:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

A while back I emailed the CPHC, and I got this response.

Dear Mr. Hink,

Before the start of the 2007 tropical cyclone season, the Central Pacific Hurricane Center worked with members of the University of
Hawaii Hawaiian Studies Department to ensure all of the Hawaiian names on our lists were proper words and didn't have any negative 
connotations.

As a result of this review and collaboration, CPHC changed 15 names from the 4 lists published for the 2006 season. If you go to
http://www.ofcm.gov/nhop/07/nhop07.htm Chapter 3, page 3-11, the name in italics are the ones we changed.

1.  Ioke was retired because it was such a significant system, but also because it was an incorrect Hawaiian word.  So you can 
considered it retired, but it would have been removed if it hadn't been retired because it had no Hawaiian meaning.
2.  Paka was retired because of the destruction it caused in Guam in 1997.
3.  We requested several names from the eastern Pacific including Daniel, Emilia, Estelle, Fabio, Gilma, Guillermo, Jimena, John, 
Jova, and Kenneth to be retired, but the World Meteorological Organization Region IV Tropical Cyclone Committee (WMO RA IV TCC) 
decided not to retire any of these, so they were not changed.
4. For Hurricanes Fico and Fefa, in 1978 and 1991 respectively, I am not sure whether they were retired or removed.  Please contact
Lixion.A.Avila@noaa.gov at the National Hurricane Center who works with the WMO RA IV TCC on the retirement or removal of names from
the lists for the eastern Pacific.

Best Regards and Aloha,
Jim Weyman
Director Central Pacific Hurricane Center

I did this while I was doing the retired Pacific hurricane articles, so that is why I included Ioke and Paka. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 06:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. BTW, did you ask Mr. Avila about Fico and Fefa? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 06:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Nah, I forgot to, since I always feel like I will be bothering them too much. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 06:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)