Talk:List of red-light districts

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[edit] get some proof for these allegations

Not a single one of these alleged red-light districts is sourced. It is original research for an article to declare that Van Buren Street in Pheonix, Arizona is a place of prostitution, without any proof to back up this wild claim. The Van Buren street entry is redlinked, so where did the person who put it there get this information? People who live there or own property on this street probably do not appreciate this unsubstantiated claim. There is absolutely nothing preventing goofballs from adding any kind of false junk information to this article. Some of these entries seem to be original research from people who thought to themselves, "hey, I saw a girl who looked like a hooker on such-and-such street, I think I'll add it to Wikipedia". wikipediatrix 15:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Do a Google search. And please give details. Which entries "seem to be original research from people who thought to themselves, "hey, I saw a girl who looked like a hooker on such-and-such street, I think I'll add it to Wikipedia""? What is your basis for these assertions? Many of these (probably the majority) are famous red-light districts and are listed as such in numerous perfectly respectable guidebooks (usually as places to avoid). -- Necrothesp 15:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Dude. NONE OF THESE ENTRIES HAVE SOURCES, so why are you even arguing with me? You should have no problem getting some sources if they're as famous as you claim. wikipediatrix 16:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
It's a list. Its purpose is merely to link to other articles. Many of the links already lead to articles. It is there that the sourcing should be done. There are 138 districts listed; of these, 70 are blue links. It should be the articles you're aiming your displeasure at if they're not sourced, not the list. As I've said before, you'll find most lists on Wikipedia aren't sourced, since it's difficult to source every entry on a list. Yet you're aiming at this one only. Why?
Oh, and before you accuse me of improperly removing tags, try reading the rules you love to quote, which quite clearly state "If anyone, including the article's creator, removes Template:Prod from an article for any reason, do not put it back"! Seems quite clear to me. If you want to propose it for deletion under AfD then do so, but don't try deletion by underhand methods. Since the deletion was clearly not uncontroversial, this tag should never have been inserted in the first place. Again, according to the rules. -- Necrothesp 16:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Firstly, I did not place the tag originally, someone else did. Secondly, nominating the article for AfD is not the proper action to take when one wants an article to be properly sourced. And yes, lists do have to be sourced, especially with controversial subjects such as this. See List of HIV-positive people for example. Just because there are lots of lists are aren't sourced doesn't mean they're not supposed to be. Give me time and I'll work on those too. wikipediatrix 19:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I didn't say you did place the original tag, but you did restore it after I had deleted it legitimately, accusing me of removing it improperly. You therefore presumably want the article deleted, or you would not have done so, thereby contravening policy yourself and yet having the audacity to accuse me of doing so! There seem to be certain flaws in your logic here. Back to lists, you have not answered my point that a list is just that, a list. Why does every entry on a list have to be sourced? They just point to other articles. That's their sole function. If the article is not sourced, then that's a different matter. Over 50% of the list entries point to extant articles, yet you seem to be suggesting that a large number of them are original research. "Not a single one of these alleged red-light districts is sourced", you say. But the articles are, and that's what's important, not the list itself. I fail to see why you are demanding that the list itself is sourced. Again, this is illogical. Wikipedia is a unified whole, not a collection of separate entities. And deleting the whole section, as you did in the source article, just because some of the list items are redlinked (and therefore unsourced) is ridiculous. What about the bluelinked items that lead to sourced articles? -- Necrothesp 20:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The articles, in many cases, are not sourced, Svay Pak for example. Anyway, each page has to stand on its own. Every entry in the list needs to include a citation to a reliable source that refers to it as a red-light district. Tom Harrison Talk 21:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I really do not see the need to source items on a list, particularly if they are sourced in the detailed articles. However, I have no objection to people doing it if they so desire. What I do object to is the arrogant deletion of other people's work as has been done by Wikipediatrix to this list (twice) in its previous incarnation and proposed by her and another editor (against policy) in this incarnation. -- Necrothesp 22:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Briefly, Wikipedia:Verifiability says

Information on Wikipedia must be reliable. Facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by reliable and reputable sources. Articles should cite these sources whenever possible. Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed.

There is not an exception for lists. Remember, nothing is ever lost; it's all avaliable as an older version in the edit history. Tom Harrison Talk 23:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I stick to my opinion about lists and the articles they link to - if the source is in the article then that information is already sourced on Wikipedia and does not require another reference. And I don't think your point about nothing being lost is really relevant; it has still been removed, whether technically available or not. It is also normal to tag an article asking for sources, not to just cut a large chunk of text or tag an article for deletion when it does not meet the criteria for that tag (in fact, the policy you quote says as much). It's all about good manners and not deleting other people's work unless it's blatantly unencyclopaedic or rubbish. I happen to feel much more strongly about that than I do about sourcing every little piece of information, particularly when much of that information can be readily confirmed with a brief internet search. -- Necrothesp 23:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia policy is not about your opinion. I am removing all redlinked entries for now and may remove many more later. Feel free to take this to an RFC if you wish. wikipediatrix 15:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Neither is it about yours. Wikipedia policy does not support your opinion, although you appear to think it does. It merely says articles should be sourced. Articles which are sourced elsewhere on Wikipedia are still sourced. I despair of people who favour deletion over addition of content and seem to enjoy such deletion, but I frankly have more interesting things to do than continue to argue with you. -- Necrothesp 17:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I repeat, take it to an RFC and see how far you get with it if you don't believe me. wikipediatrix 18:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
You've left some redlinked entries in the list, why is that? Either remove them all or restore them all. Or find sources.

No citations should be on this page, they should all be in the individual articles. If you cant seem to find a citation, then bring your camera next time. Just because a citation is missing is no reason to delete an well developed article; I really dont know what you people seem to expect, most red light districts dont have websites that can be sourced. --AlexOvShaolin 00:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dropping by

I found this article because it linked to Rose Street which I created.

However, I think it is unmaintable. Almost every city of a few hundred thousand, and usually not under a particularly despotic regime has one. There must be hundreds and hundreds of such places around the world. --MacRusgail 20:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

It's never likely to be complete, but that's not a reason not to have it. -- Necrothesp 23:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Of course, it's never likely to be complete, that's not my argument. My argument is that there are so many of them that the list is unmaintainable, particularly when you factor in the many defunct ones which would presumably include places like Pompeii and Ephesus. It could run into thousands, and thus be so long as to be unusable --MacRusgail 15:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Why would it be unusable? It's structured, ergo it's usable. -- Necrothesp 17:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
(lots of unintentional innuendo here!) It would be too long, and has two problems in, a) its vastness, and b) the speed with which these areas come and go. In Edinburgh, they often appear and disappear in a matter of months.--MacRusgail 15:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, obviously only well-established and well-known areas should be included, not streets used by prostitutes for a few months. This is supposed to be a guide for interest and research, not a travel guide for sex tourists! There are plenty of websites where people could find those if they really wanted them. Every major town may have places used by prostitutes, but that's not the same thing as a well-established red-light district (which is usually mentioned, if it exists or existed, even in ordinary travel guides). If you can't write an article about it then it probably shouldn't be listed here. -- Necrothesp 18:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
perhaps there should be another list for streets used for hooking and this one should be strictly for well known red light districts, either way i think all of the information is worth keeping. --AlexOvShaolin 02:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

tried to fix the inter-linkage patterns for the following pages: Boy's Town Boy's Town, Nuevo Laredo Boy's Town, prostitution

I hope it makes sense to everyone. –M.J.H. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mjh05 (talk • contribs) 20:03, August 23, 2007 (UTC).


Whoever maintains this page might want to make a habit of lurking the World Sex Guide [[1]] web site which can offer some decent take-it-or-leave-it information. Dick Kimball (talk) 17:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] North America

[edit] Mexico

How can a list of red light districts in Mexico omit Tijuana? Dick Kimball (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC) Prostitution, including street prostitution, brothels, and sexually available females in bars and strip joints (where customers are allowed to fondle the strippers) is legal in Tijuana's Zona Norte Dick Kimball (talk) 16:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC) Tijuana's Zona Norte is even listed in your page on Sex tourism. 19:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Ciudad Juárez, across the border from El Paso, TX, certainly has its share of openly operated brothels. Dick Kimball (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] United States

There really should be an entry on Nevada, which has legal brothels scattered around most counties except Clark County (Las Vegas) and Washoe County (Reno). Dick Kimball (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

In Rhode Island, prostitution is perfectly legal so long as it's conducted entirely indoors. Streetwalking and soliciting are illegal, but you only need to visit Cheaters strip joint at 245 Allens Ave. in Providence to see how this works indoors. Dick Kimball (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC) Dick Kimball (talk) 17:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Caribbean

[edit] Dominican Republic

I thought it was common knowledge that the Dominican Republic had a very casual attitude toward prostitution, especially around Santo Domingo and the beach resorts. Dick Kimball (talk) 18:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The Dominican Republic is even listed in your page on Sex tourism. Dick Kimball (talk) 19:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Central America

[edit] Costa Rica

Most recommended is the Hotel Del Rey [[2]] in San Jose: five stories, bright pink, four bars, and most of their prostitutes speak English. Dick Kimball (talk) 18:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Costa Rica is even listed in your page on Sex tourism. Dick Kimball (talk) 19:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] South America

[edit] Venezuela

Operators of international sex tours to Venezuela advertise that they include one or more female companions, condoms, and Viagra. Dick Kimball (talk) 18:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)