Talk:List of nu metal bands

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This article was nominated for deletion on 17 May 2008. The result of the discussion was speedy close.

Contents 1 Removed some bands. 2 Removing the flag icons 3 Black Light Burns 4 Tagged

[edit] Removed some bands.

I removed Kittie Simply becouse Wikipedia Does not list there genre on Kittie's Article

I removed Saliva (band), SOiL and Nickelback from the list, as i don't think they belong to the nu metal gerne. Please reply here if you object. :) ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | 14:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree on Nickelback. I don't know enough songs by Saliva, but SOiL is related to nu metal. I removed boysetsfire from the list. They were melodic hardcore/post-hardcore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.84.135.109 (talk) 00:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

what about these two australian bands 28 days and superheist? (check out "rip it up" by 28 days and "step back" by superheist) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pauldonald86 (talk • contribs) 10:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Who the hell decided that Nickelback was nu metal? Hell, they're not even alternative metal!! Maplejet (talk) 15:58, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I removed Demon Hunter because there are no verible sources to support that they are nu metal. Despite the arguments of many fans, Demon Hunter is widely projected as a metalcore band.

P.S.: Nickelback is indeed alternative metal. There are many verible sources to support this, but vandalization of the article has caused them to be labeled simply as alternative rock.

BreakerLOLZ (talk) 19:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

--- Evanescence? They claim to be influenced by Korn, and they sound to me like Linkin Park. Saliva is nu metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.94.219 (talk) 03:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

--- Also, the new Guns N Roses sound a little Nu Metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.94.219 (talk) 03:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I removed Static-X, they are industrial metal, they have never sounded Nu metal. Felix-schade (talk) 23:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removing the flag icons

The flag icons make the page look way to crowded, and are contrary to the WP:FLAG guideline. I am going to begin the process of removing them. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, and don't see how they violate WP:FLAG. Please elaborate. ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | 20:31, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

There are a bunch of problems, all from WP:FLAG:

"When a flag icon is used for the first time in a list or table, it needs to appear adjacent to its respective country (or province, etc.) name, as not all readers are familiar with all flags."

"Flag icons are often overused. When added excessively, they clutter the page and become redundant,"

"Wikipedia generally strongly eschews the use of images for decorative purposes, preferring those that provide additional essential information or needed illustration."

UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:59, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Your first argument is a valid point. That would be a reason for expansion, not removal. Your second argument applies to articles, not necessarily lists. Your third argument is invalid, they enhance the list with information, i see no decorative value in them.
You are free to change the article to another form that provides the same information, but please don't just remove content from it. Just using flags without anything else seems to be the preferred standard used,^{[1][2][3][4][5][6]} yet, i am absolutely open to a new layout (for an example, the tables used on the article List_of_alternative_metal_artists#Table), you would, though, probably have to do it yourself, as i spent enough time gathering the information for the flags already, and don't feel like doing it anew. ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | 00:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

The criteria of this list makes no mention of nationality, it is a list of bands considered nu-metal, there nationalities has no relevance. Please see the manual of style, especially the sections Do not emphasize nationality without good reason, Help the reader rather than decorate and Using too many flags. There is absolutely no reason to emphasize nationality here, it simple has nothing to do with the style of music these bands play. Also look at other similar lists for reference. --neonwhite user page talk 14:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

If you're going to remove content, please do so without leaving the article in a mess. Anyhow, I disagree. When I go through a list of bands of some musical genre, I want to know where those bands are from. Not only can an article gain your interest because of your awareness of its topics origin, it also (in this case especially) shows the allocation of the genre all over the world. Please quote point where the use of the flags in this article violates or touches the guideline, as I can't seem to find any. I unserstand you will be as bold as to just remove them again, I shall not to so too, but I will eventually revert your edit if you can't come up with any argument. ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | ~ 16:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The nationality of bands has nothing whatsoever to do with the criteria of this list. The list is not an article to "shows the allocation of the genre all over the world" as this information would likely not be considered encylcopedic. If you want to create an article about the "allocation of the genre all over the world" then do so but this is not it. flagicons are not to be used for decoration and they are not for national pride as they appear to be used here. This is this clearest misuse I have seen. Read the manual of style, especially the sections Do not emphasize nationality without good reason. Also look of every single other list of bands. This is considered a misuse by the community. If you cannot state a valid reason why the nationality needs highlighting here then leave them out. If you keep reverting good faith edits that clearly improve the encyclopedia without a valid reason then you may recieve a warning. --neonwhite user page talk 19:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Interesting assumption you make, as I am of Swiss and Czech ancestry. But your argumentation is none really anyhow. I do, though, not care about it enough to actually fight you on this. Yet I must insist that you remove the flags properly, without messing up the layout and/or leaving raw wiki markup in the output. Also, practice your courtesy. ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | ~ 21:12, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The layout was fine and consistant with the Wikipedia:Lists manual of style. If you like i could rfc or ask for a third opinion asking whether this particular page should be unique amongst all wikipedia lists and completely waste everyone's time. --neonwhite user page talk 03:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Black Light Burns

Just because Wes was in Limp Bizkit doesn't make BLB a Nu Metal band if you actually listened to the music there more of a Industrial/Alternative Metal.TG 50 (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC) --- Actually they are they're just closer to Korn's rendition of it. You can add the subgenre disputed tag to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.169.21 (talk) 01:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tagged

I have Tagged this unencyclpidic because this should be a category not a article. Trees Rock ^{Plant A Tree!} 16:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)