Talk:List of musicals: A to L

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WikiProject Musical Theatre tasks: Help out with one of the WikiProject Musical Theatre tasks below. You may add your name to the Participants list to the right. edit this Open Tasks template Collaborate and work on the Collaboration of the Month Articles needing a content fork Mainly, these are articles on films and either their source or subsequent musicals. There are a couple where the musical needs to be "forked" from the source material. Feel free to add or remove as necessary. Important: If you split an article, please make sure that you move all the relevant links from the first article to the new one. To find which links to move, click on "What links here" at the old article and look through the list to see which links should be pointed to the film related link (for example, articles on actors in the film). Then, click on those links and update them to point to the film article. Thanks! Don't Play Us Cheap Roberta How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying I Married an Angel Lady in the Dark The Band Wagon - musical adaptation will to be forked after it opens in April.

Could we be specific about the meaning of "Broadway musical"? Does it mean any musical that has ever appeared on Broadway, or only those that made their debut on Broadway? Deb 18:12, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I think we should move this to List of musicals and then consider splitting it out later. Generalised list more useful, surely? Morwen 18:24, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I agree. I actually hadn't even noticed that it was Broadway musicals. Let's start by being all-inclusive... we can always categorize later. Offhand I'd say the list is only about 20% complete at this point, anyway...

By the way... do Gilbert and Sullivan count as "musicals?" (I just realized that "The Jazz Mikado" and "The Hot Mikado" do qualify, even as Broadway musicals) Dpbsmith 20:50, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Musical is short for Musical Play and implies that, although music plays a big part in the show, the plot is mostly moved ahead by non-musical scenes as opposed to opera which uses purely musical plot scenes and operetta which uses both. G & S is in an awkward position because it is generally thought of as operetta but, as far as I recall, is also acknowledged to have had a formative influence on the early musicals. -- Derek Ross

Contents 1 Notable songs and other notes 2 stage musicals/films 3 Missing Musical 4 Contents broken 5 Years? 6 definition of a musical

[edit] Notable songs and other notes

Someone, without any discussion here and without noting it in the edit summary, has removed all the short notes, particularly about notable songs.

• There should have been a discussion here before this was done.
• The fact that this was done should have definitely been noted in the edit summary, as it is a major change.

I have restored this information.

Most of these musicals do not have full articles of their own. It is unlikely that anybody is going to do full-scale articles for all or most of the musicals in the near future. Similarly, it is unlikely that many of these songs will ever receive full articles. Many of them are all but forgotten by all experts apart from having given rise to a familiar song.

To a modern reader, is there any fact about the obscure musical "Oh, Boy" that is more important than that it was the origin of "Till the Clouds Roll By?" Is there anything about "Knickerbocker Holiday" more important than that it was source of "September Song?"

If we had articles about each of these musicals and the articles listed the songs, you could make out a case for not duplicating them in the list. Most of these short notes about relevant songs and, in some cases, other identifying features of these musicals are not yet easily found elsewhere in Wikipedia.

Although specifying which songs are notable will, in reality, be based on the basis of the judgement of the person writing the entry, rather than say, researching reviews or Billboard lists, most of these judgements are noncontroversial. This is particularly true in the cases of the "obscure musical with one notable song." Obviously, if you were to for a list of the notable songs in "Oklahoma!" rank in order of notability, different people would include different songs and rank them in different orders. Even here, though, I can't imagine anyone saying that "Oh! what a Beautiful Morning" should be omitted—or that "It's a Scandal! It's an Outrage!" should be included. Dpbsmith 13:06, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] stage musicals/films

This article is now a mammoth. Anyone feel like separating out the movies into an article called List of movie musicals? AJD 10:50, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I would prefer to have an integrated list. The size can be dealt with by creating pages for letters of the alphabet as has been done with List of songs. Splitting the list would make it more difficult to determine which theatre musicals became films and vice versa.

JohnRogers

[edit] Missing Musical

Les Miserables needs to be added to the list -Ary Sudarmana (21 March, 2006)

Many musicals are missing. Why is a list preferred to a category in this instance? -Jodi (26 August 2006)

Most film musicals seem to be missing, i.e. all the Golddigger movies, Astair and Rogers, Busby Berkley. 15.251.169.69 (talk) 09:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Paul B.

[edit] Contents broken

Someone needs to fix the contents. Everything M and under is in another entry, but the transcluded contents template links to this article. --24.115.80.11 20:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Years?

With years on the list of musicals, should we be linking to pages like 1972 in music? Or pages like 1972? A consenus needs to be reached and then the page needs to be edited accordingly. ClarineteBajo 22:28, 19 Jul 2006

[edit] definition of a musical

I wondered if there is a definition of what qualifies as a "Musical"?

• I was first directed here since someone placed Lady and the Tramp as a musical theatre project, it does not have many songs-but it is true that on the feature on the DVD Disney Backstage that they consider it a musical.
• Assuming this is so, there are many more missing, and some that should show up more than one time. Examples Beauty and the Beast, Lion King - became Broadway Musicals - that have additional songs and variations.
• Animation - some are missing, assume likely true since Lady and the Tramp was just added. Oliver & Company version of the story Oliver as a animated musical an example not yet listed.
• Direct to DVD - would be a somewhat questionable if qualifies as film - though some I have The Fox and the Hound 2 have more songs than Lady and the Tramp. And contrary to what may be thought they had well known composers and artists performing for a direct to DVD film - it was promoted with the CMT cable network.Kidsheaven 00:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)