Talk:List of minor Biblical figures

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This article was nominated for deletion on 17 April 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 AfD results 2 Why this article should be kept 3 Eastons 4 Separate page for peoples 5 Unnamed figures 6 Biblical or Hebrew Bible/Tanakh/Tanakh only?

[edit] AfD results

An article regarding a minor Biblical figure from which this was moved was nominated for deletion. The result was no consensus, but a significant number of voters approved of preserving this information as part of a list. For details, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uel.  BD2412 ^talk 00:38, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Note also, this article contains content originally from Adina (Biblical name), contributed by User:FurciferRNB , (which was deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adina (Biblical name). BD2412 T 22:24, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why this article should be kept

I just de-prodded this article, which had been listed with the note, "list short, incomplete, and will never be complete or useful. all four entrants are profoundly nn". I'm going to state my case right now as to why this assessment is incorrect. First, the names on this page were directed here largely through other deletion processes, where they were deemed insufficient to stand on their own as articles (with which I agree). However, it is incorrect to say that the entrants are completely lacking in notability, for the sole reason that they are named in the Bible. Furthermore, for exactly this reason it is incorrect to say that the list will never be complete - there are a finite number of persons named in the Bible for whom individual articles would be inappropriate. Some are more notable than the four listed at this point. But there is a distinct and definitive endpoint to this article. Furthermore, when it is completed, it will be useful to persons interested in knowing what the Bible has to say about persons named therein who do not get there own article. What else to do with them? BD2412 T 22:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Excellent bit of Reasoning. I intend to help now that I have come across this list and noticed how much work it needs. GabrielVelasquez (talk) 19:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eastons

If people want to fill out this list, they can go check out Wikipedia:Easton's Dictionary topics. Most of the characters left that have not been moved into wikipedia are non-notable and shouldn't get articles, but can be put on this list. They are usually 1-3 sentences in length and contain 1-4 biblical references. I merged in all of the people left in the "M" section, and you can see how big it is now. This should give a rough idea of how large this page might be once the merging from Easton's is complete. I will be updating the Easton's page and recommending that name with 1-3 sentences be moved here as a general rule, and redirects created. Danski14 03:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I suspect that eventually we'll have to split this into 3-4 pages each covering a different chunk of the alphabet. bd2412 T 04:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Separate page for peoples

Given the length of this page, I'd like to propose keeping this article limited to individual persons, and having a separate article on minor Biblical peoples (that is, groups of people such as the Apharsachites and Apharsites and Girgashites). Does anyone disagree? bd2412 T 18:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Hearing no objection, I have split out List of minor Biblical tribes. Perhaps not the best name for the page, but I think it should do (but if anyone wants to change it, have at it!). bd2412 T 03:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Just a little caution here. I haven't checked but I would still like to state that there isn't much redundancy in tribe and person, as most tribes take the name of a person. Please be sure to keep those on both lists. GabrielVelasquez (talk) 19:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unnamed figures

Thoughts on creating a heading for unnamed figures (Noah's wife, Pharaoah's butler and baker for example). Would it be considered non-notable and unnecessary? Donnie Love (talk) 15:49, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

• I think that's a very good idea. I have made the argument before (and continue to hew to it) that any person who appears in the Bible is inherently notable because they appear in the Bible, one of the foundational books of western civilization. Noah's wife is a classic example of a figure who is actually notable (would possibly even qualify for an independant article on notability grounds) but goes unnamed. A section here would be fine, but I'd even be inclined to say there should be an article on unnamed figures in the Bible, with some discourse on efforts by historians to put a name to some of them based on who they were and other historical evidence. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
  • There exists the List of names for the Biblical nameless which uses extra-biblical and non-canonical sources, but of course it doesn't list every unnamed person (such as the baker and butler) and conversely lists people not in the Bible (such as Nimrod's wife). Donnie Love (talk) 09:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Biblical or Hebrew Bible/Tanakh/Tanakh only?

Biblical or Hebrew Bible/Tanakh/Old Testament only?

If this is a list of minor figures only from Hebrew Bible (only) it should be reflected in the article name somehow. Even if it is all Hebrew Bible people now it should be more clear to readers and editors. --Carlaude (talk) 14:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

It may be best to keep this only for the Hebrew Bible (with an appropriate page move). The Hebrew Bible content is usually kept separate in any case, and this page will probably eventually be split even with this smaller scope. A new article for the New Testament article (and Apocrypha?) could be useful. --Eliyak T·C 21:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)