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[edit] Inclusion criterion

Anyone considering adding software to this list should keep in mind the following from the Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) guideline:

"Ideally each entry on the list should have a Wikipedia article but this is not required if it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future."

To test the reasonableness of your expectations, you may want to create the article on the software first and then add it to this list. UnitedStatesian 18:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm for inclusion criteria where each entry has an article. This article is a joke, resulting from WP:POINT, and violates WP:RS and WP:NPOV. --Ronz 19:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I've removed all entries that did not have their own article per above. This solves much, if not all, of the problems we've been having with the article. --Ronz (talk) 16:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedias most ridiculous rule. Let the startups into lists like this and it gives them a level playing field against the big guys with public companies who qualify for wikipedia. Leave them out and its unfair. Or at least say at the top of the article that as a consequence of wikipedia policy many products from smaller companies will be excluded from this list. Otherwise, whats the list for ? Here's a "List of Mind Mapping Software sold by companies big enough to get on Wikipedia" - now theres a more appropriate title ! Sleep well. BTW I dont run a mind mapping software startup ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.82.91 (talk) 20:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

That exactly meets my point of view. What is a list of Mindmap Software good for, if it's not allowed to add projects, which "are not big enough" to be worth an own topic?

89.246.169.56 (talk) 17:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Advertisement?

I just added an Advert template to the Proprietary software section because I think that some of the entries therein sound a lot like we're trying to sell those products, instead of merely listing their features. For example: XMIND is a revolutionary mind mapping software, a brainstorming helper, an easy-to-use productivity tool and a necessary part of office suite. You can put your mind maps and fishbone charts into Word/PDF/Powerpoint documents easily. What do you guys think? --Emc² • contact me 15:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Without sourcing from independent, reliable sources, no one should be surprised. --Ronz 16:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I just rewrote and reformatted this section. I didn't fix the sourcing but removed the advertising text. Davidcl (talk) 15:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] All Freeware except Compendium is deleted

I strongly suggest undoing this edit. Please, comment here if you agree. Julia sova (talk) 09:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Please review the above discussions, and the relevant policies cited.
You have a conflict of interest here. Please read and follow WP:COI and WP:NPOV, rather than appearing to work around these policies to further your personal and professional interests. --Ronz (talk) 17:54, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I have done it all and it has nothing to do with WP:NPOV. Deleting a dozen of software people have carefully studied and put into Wikipedia is NOT an action guided by WP:NPOV. Also I don't see any point in continuing discussion with you, Ronz, as you seem to stick to an idea of preventing people from getting a profound view on the software list. It's not just about the software I'm interested in, it's about justice. I think all actions should be justified and all you do here is forcing your self-will upon mind map users. Julia sova (talk) 08:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but until you address your COI, I can't differentiate between your call for justice and your job to promote the products of the company you work for. --Ronz (talk) 17:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
"NPOV says that the article should fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by a reliable source, and should do so in proportion to the prominence of each." Without reliable sources to show these other entries belong in this list, it is against WP:NPOV to include them. --Ronz (talk) 17:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Julia, I agree. The views stated below do not represent wiki policy in this matter, they represent one user's opinion, expressed using wiki policy. Please contact me on my talk page. Thanks wikiwatcher9999 (talk) 14:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)wikieditor9999

[edit] Why is bubbl.us always being deleted?

www.bubbl.us is a web application to make mind maps, why isn't not not allowed? The reason for this page is to list mind mapping software, and a web application is somewhat a software.

I added the link and it was deleted by "UnitedStatesian"

Can i please know why?

Limjix (talk) 12:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It does not meet the list inclusion criteria for this article Talk:List_of_mind_mapping_software#Inclusion_criterion. See the discussions above. --Ronz (talk) 15:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Two Open Source packages not (yet) listed

I've been looking at mind map software packages for possible use in developing some training curriculum soon. I installed the Vym ("view your mind") software on my Fedora 8 Linux system, since it's available from the Fedora package repository. It's also available directly with other Linux distributions. I was referred to the Mind Map article by a link in Vym's documentation. I was surprised not to see it on the list of mind-mapping software since they referred me here. In my search, I've also found Semantik (formerly kdissert) has a package in Fedora's repository. Both are Open Source - Vym is GPL and Semantik is QPL. I have no connection to either piece of software.

I would usually just be WP:BOLD and add links such as these. But the talk discussion looks like that's not advisable in this topic. Submitted for reactions... Ikluft (talk) 17:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for commenting here first. The article has a basic inclusion criteria, which these software packages do not meet. --Ronz (talk) 01:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please consider including this free mind-mapper...

Cayra: I added it a while ago, but I may have done something wrong because it was removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.15.64 (talk) 00:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

See Talk:List_of_mind_mapping_software#Inclusion_criterion --Ronz (talk) 01:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh? Good, free mind-mapping software is so rare. You're preventing us from telling people about Cayra just because it doesn't have a WP page of its own? I thought the philosophy here was that anyone could contribute info, as long as it was accurate and non-exploitative. It looks like that was a naïve notion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.15.64 (talk • contribs) 09:12, 4 February 2008

OK, I have the solution---we add a notice to Wikipedia's homepage: "Be sure to check each article's Discussion page so you don't miss significant, useful information that, for one baffling bureaucratic reason or another, was chased off the article's main page."  :?D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.22.189 (talk) 20:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why can't I get MindMeister added to Wikipedia???

I just found out about mind mapping software and started looking for something simple I could begin with. I checked out the links on this page, but a friend recommended MindMeister. I started with it, and figured it would be helpful to others to add to this list, since it is a web application and offers collaborating functionality these others do not.

So I add it to this list and it gets deleted because there is no underlying wiki page.

Then I develop a wiki page for it. I upload a screenshot. The screenshot gets ripped down in 5 minutes, even though I put a hold on it - for false reasons.

Then while I'm fighting over the screenshot, my wiki page gets ripped down, even though I put a hold on it, again for false reasons.

All my work disappears within 5 minutes. It is like there are sharks circling the water just waiting to censor anything someone posts. It's crazy!

Now I'm being told that MindMeister lacks "notability." But I'm looking at this list and the linked wiki pages, and I modeled my page on the others I found here. If mine is getting ripped down, several others here should too. How did you folks manage to get yours to go up and stay up? This is ridiculous. any advice? --Gpd209 (talk) 12:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

UPDATE: Thanks for the advice. I completely reworked the page, adding a section on notability, external references, etc. User: Pegasus used speedy deletion yet again. He has it stuck in his head that, since this particular mind-mapping software runs in a web browser instead of a standalone software package, it is subject to different rules from other mind-mapping software for inclusion in wikipedia. Let's hope this dude doesn't find all the other app's on this page. --Gpd209 (talk) 12:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Gdp209, the problem with including MindMeister here or creating an article about it is that, unless you can prove otherwise, the product lacks notability. Because it does not seem notable, inclusion here seems to indicate that it may be WP:Spam. If you can prove notability through legitimate references outside the subject and its immediate commercial supporters, you may have a case for an article, but again, beware of creating something that will only end up being deleted in WP:afd. I would also advise you to consider WP:Assume good faith with regard to your interactions with Pegasus and your comments here about that user. Thanks.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 14:36, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Pgagnon999, you are losing the forest for the trees. There are a dozen pages just like mine "advertising" other mind mapping software. What makes those "notable?" This specific page is valuable only to the degree that it provides a thorough listing of software options. One might say, without an "encyclopedic" offering of software options, the purpose of the list us completely undermined. To advance your agenda, you should continue on and censor the rest of these entries. Then your work would be complete, and the integrity of your mission maintained.

This whole page lacks "notability" by your definition. The whole field of reviewing software would be vulnerable to your criticism - it's either spam, or blatant advertising if the review is positive. If the review is mediocre, it lacks notability. If the review is negative? You'd probably complain it doesn't come from a neutral source. My recommendation: Pgagnon999, you should spend a month doing something else with your time - get out, ride a bike, go on a hike - something other than focusing on censoring information from something as wonderful as wikipedia. Then come back with fresh eyes and admire the beauty of the forest, with all its unpruned trees "lacking notability".--Gpd209 (talk) 04:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I find MindMeister notable. How one proves this, I don't know. It seems to me to work particularly smoothly and has lots of nice features. FWIW, I have purchased the expensive MindJet software, as well as Brainstorm and Thebrain, yet I still find MindMeister notable. And I've tried Compendium as well.

I'm glad to see that MindMeister is at least listed among the available programs in the Mindmapping pages. I am geneven@rocketmail.com, and today's date is March 9, 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.0.34 (talk) 04:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I am glad to see that Mindmeister appears to have been accepted. Now, what the heck is concept mapping? I've never heard of it before. I think it's basically the same as Mindmapping and should be merged into that article. Or else, we should set up separate pages for "idea mapping" and "thought mapping" and "vibe mapping". :)

I am geneven@rocketmail.com and today's date is March 24, 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.0.34 (talk) 10:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Software

Any objection to adding iMindMap to the list? It's a great application by Tony Buzan, the inventor of mind mapping. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.128.111.184 (talk) 20:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


I agree. iMindMap is Tony Buzan's mind mapping software. Whilst it does not have a WP page it is mentioned in the Tony Buzan pages and is noteable by the fact that it is his official product. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.23.193 (talk) 22:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)