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[edit] Pivotal: What is this list????

This list needs major cleanup and direction.--ZayZayEM 05:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

The first issue that needs to be resolved: is this a list of MMOs or MMORPGs (Title suggests latter)?

After that:

  1. What makes an MMO an RPG?
    • Use of experience points/currency? c.f. Audition Online
    • In depth role playing? who seriously roleplays their lvl 70 Troll Hunter "Ownzyouzall" in World of Warcraft?
    • Avatar customization? some MUDs don't even give you an avatar
    • Dynamic world/storyline?
    • Character progression?
  2. What makes an RPG an MMO
    • Someone has brought up Neopets: while webbased and having a "massive" player base - is the player-to-player interaction enough to warrant it being classed as "multiplayer"?
    • If there is off-line content can a game be called an MMO?
    • Is PvP required? Is Player cooperation required?
  3. Do MUDs count as MMORPGs?
    • arguably the predecessors for modern MMORPGs, Multi User Dungeons combine online gameplay, player interaction, and often quite scarily in depth roleplaying --- but are they "massive"?
Without delving into original research, we can only say that MMORPGs are those which have been described as MMORPGs in reliable sources (regardless of if they actually are.) My own definition of MMO is a game which has no strict upper limit of players in one persistant gameworld. So Diablo 2 isn't an MMORPG because it limits the number of players on each 'game instance', and neither is Kingdom of Loathing (although described as such), because the gameworld isn't persistant or shared (it's a 'massively single player RPG'.) Marasmusine 07:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Works for me. As long as it's called a MMORPG in reliable independent thrid-party sources, I can't see how anyone could object. DarkSaber2k 10:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Computer_role-playing_game seems a good source for determining criteria. I have been deleting items such as Neopets and Puzzle Pirates from the list. While these contain many MMO and Roleplay and Gaming elements; they don't bring them together create an MMORPG. This requires roleplay gaming in a massively multiplayer interactive server environment; not just roleplay and miscellaneous gaming online. Feel free to ask for clarification or disagree.


  • Yea see what! and chosenspace follows everything of what you said and keeps getting deleted
    • Please wikilink to the articles you are talking about.--ZayZayEM 02:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Modification

Removed random unnecessary text from the Q field as posted by another non-member Wikipedia user. 75.177.181.148 16:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou for your diligence. Marasmusine 18:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] what?

ok i understand that some have more importance than others, but to delete them entirely from the list is wrong. Why? Well to make it fair wikipedia should have an entry for higher more established mmorpg but also and accredit one a full list. It says list so it should be a list.... Just becasue Eve Online is big doesn't mean it should get on the list because its famous to me thats like an advertisement because I go here to fine good games. Chosenspace is a game I tried to add and I was writing a fair article on it but I've seen others deleted and it was deleted from the list! This to me is wrong and unjust. I may have written wierd things in the past but that was my friends on my user id. However, this does not warrant the unjust advertisement that some games get treated as.

Lists are to aid wikipedia navigation; i.e. all the entries in the list should point to existing wikipedia articles. This is also to stop people from advertising their (unnotable) web games, per WP:NOT a directory and WP:EL. Marasmusine 20:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
If lists are just to aid navigation: I propose this list provides no auxillary function to the category at this point in time, and is best purged from wikispace entirely until miscellenous issues at related wikiprojects are resolved. An ideal list would be able to provide information not contained in a single category (lnaguage, country, publisher, graphics, setting/genre, gameplay PvE/PvP, etc.) but this is just lame at this point, even after I clean up the sections.--ZayZayEM 15:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, per WP:LIST; they are a navigation aid but they supplement categories because they can be annotated or put in orders other than alphabetical. No need to scrap at all. For example, we could re-order this list into chronological order. Marasmusine 15:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not saying that a decent annotated list can't be done. I'm just saying that this current list doesn't offer anything substantially more than the category system. It would seem easier to scrap it for now until Video Game WikiProjects or a genuinely motivated editor puts teh effort in to create something helpful.--ZayZayEM 05:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I see. It is the kind of anal thing I'd be prepared to go ahead and do myself. I'm thinking listing by theme, or by year of release. Marasmusine 07:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Title name seems sensible; but I could see some benefit from year of release.--ZayZayEM 12:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

OK um just LIST what is a LIST list is a list. so just to scrap it even if there isn't a article well maybe some people want allow one for somereason........yes blatent advirtisement for trying to right an article on a game when other games can say everything they want about it. The list is fine its just that some Freudian problems keep interferring with yourself.

[edit] Phantasy Star Online

Shouldn't Phantasy Star be added to the list? It is a MMORPG Jon Fawkes 02:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Phantasy Star Online should.--ZayZayEM 05:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Actually, Phantasy Star Online and Phantasy Star Universe only allow four or six players to play together, simultaneously. The lobbies, in which you can see other players outside of your party, are no more than visual chat channels (they are as if Diablo II had graphics in its chat channels). Thes two games, by no means, should be considered "MMO," simply because the multiplayer aspect is so limited in scope of player interactivity. KentF 02:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Comparison of Massively multiplayer online role-playing games seems to be more appropriate style and organisation that this list should aspire too. I suggest possibly moving/importing that article to here.--ZayZayEM 03:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

You're probably right. Marasmusine 17:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
No, because the comparison data does not fall into line with the List format. Any merge would result in the removal of all useful content of the comparison. It should be noted that comparison articles exist also in many other cases (e.g. Comparison of web browsers) and no merge requests have been made for those. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 13:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
The comparison page has significantly expanded since I proposed this (It didn't have an engine table at all). I'm gonna remove the merge notice. I think a similar style though, containing important data such as
  • Game Name
  • No. servers
  • Playerbase
  • Languages
  • Platform
  • Graphics (text, 2D,
  • Setting genre
  • Last updated
  • etc.
should be included. I'd also like to see the list ordered by decade of release or something similar, rather than name.--ZayZayEM 03:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FlyFF

is fly for fun an mmorpg?

That's a good question. It's certainly an multiplayer online game, but I don't know if it is massive or a role-playing game. Perhaps we could find some independent references to qualify it? Marasmusine 12:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
From the article
Characters defeat monsters for experience points, which add up to level-ups and increased power. In the most recent version of Flyff, characters gain skill points based on their level, and get a set amount when they change jobs.
sounds like a computer roleplaying game to me, it's only online play, and massive = MMORPG --ZayZayEM 06:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Flyff is a mmorpg, think about it, ROLE PLAYING, if theres lvling +/or quests its a rpg. 210.84.27.155 09:10, (UTC)16 Sep 07 Turnni1

[edit] Of course

these pages should be merged so someone who is looking for a good mmorpg can scroll down the first list and then at the bottom of the page can look at the advantages and disadvantages of each game, instead of going back and forth between 2 pages WiseC 17:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AdventureQuest?!

ADVENTUREQUEST IS NOT AN MMORPG. Its actually singleplayer.

Then we must call it Massively (if it is that?) Singe-player browser RPG 8^) 65.8.148.143 22:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kingdom of Loathing

Whilst I completely agree that KoL is not an MMORPG, it is continually referred to as one, even by reliable sources ([1] for example). The opening sentence of our WP:V policy; The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth, means we have to mention Kingdom of Loathing here.

However, I propose we find some kind of reference that clearly states KoL is not a MMORPG. MarašmusïneTalk 08:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

  • I'd say if that source thinks KoL is an MMORPG it's not too reliable ^_^ .--ZayZayEM 02:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

But what about the fact that Wikipedia (That's you you know) says it's a mmorpg, if you read the article about it you'll see why. And it IS an mmorpg and deserves respect for that. And furthermore if you think it isn't and everybody else does YOU'RE WRONG, admit it. 220.255.230.88 (talk) 10:54, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

  • "And furthermore if you think it isn't and everybody else does YOU'RE WRONG" My, that's some awesome logic. If reliable source's list it as an MMORPG, isn't it Wikipedia's policy to list it as one regardless whether it is or not. 71.247.159.243 (talk) 05:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Non MMORPGS?

I'm just wondering why this article has many non mmorpgs. For example Club penguin.

Club Penguin is one of those games that keeps getting put on and taken of and put back on again. However, like I mentioned with Kingdom of Loathing above, as soon as a reliable source calls the game a MMORPG, that's what we have to report here. MarašmusïneTalk 22:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Club penguin is a mmo, what do people dont get about that.... 210.84.27.155 09:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)Turnni1

Notice this is a list for MMORPG's, not MMO's. There is a different list for that. CLub penguin could be considered as as MMO but not an MMORPG. Arain321Talk 23:06, 5 January 2008

[edit] Skipped

Project Entropia is not listed here.

Neither is Fallen Sword. Tashabot 10:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Entropia Universe is not a CRPG, it is a virtual universe.

    Entropia Universe is a massively multiplayer online virtual universe

    . Fallen Sword has no article.--ZayZayEM 14:08, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Space Cowboy Online is not listed either. I know some people will say it's FPS, but you can barely even use the FPS option and it fits the criteria as far as i know. 71.248.148.179 (talk) 23:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Add it to the list if multiple reliable sources describe it as a MMORPG, and it has a Wikipedia article. Marasmusine (talk) 06:27, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Legends of Kathara

A BRAND new game, not on the list yet but as soon as I can add it I will. It's sort of a work in progress and not completely finished but they add updates Daily. and Its really fun so far there's only like 3 members so the more that join I think that would help! The owner of the game calls himself Traine and is really nice. I hope to see many of you on the Game by the way, here's the website

Can we remove ads from talk pages?--ZayZayEM 04:20, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the link. Will have chat on users talk page :> Marasmusine 07:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cybernations

Is Cybernations a MMORPG? It claims to be one in the cybernations article.

  • Not anymore ^_^ --ZayZayEM 12:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pseudo-criteria list

Thought this might help some people who have questions as to why their favourite game is not on the list, or is continually removed.

To be in this list, a video or computer game must:

  1. Have an article
  2. Be a computer role-playing game - not RTS, FPS, Hack n Slash or virtual universe
  3. Be a massively multiplayer online game - not simply online, not simply multiplayer, and not MUDs
  4. Be an MMORPG

This usually means CRPG

  1. User "avatar with quantized characteristics which change over the course of the game in predictable ways and take the place of the gamer's own skill in determining in game outcome"
  2. "Players are allowed to choose how they want to improve their character's (or party's) performance in terms of attributes, skills, special abilities, and equipment"
  3. Experience based OR Training based method of character development (or combination)
  4. Quests, or other set tasks
  5. NPCs

MMO

  1. Solely online based play
  2. persistent virtual world that "which continues to exist and evolve while the player is away from the game"
  3. continuous player base in at least hundreds
  4. "players cooperate and compete with each other on a grand scale, and sometimes to interact meaningfully with people around the world"


In general: User has a RPG avatar that develops through P2P and P2E interaction on a grand scale in a persistent virtual universe through an internet connection. (emphasis on points that tend to be lacking in games added to this list) --ZayZayEM 02:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Well I agree with your definition of a MMORPG. However, I'm concerned that this is bordering on original research, when we should be relying entirely on reliable sources. It is painful to list things like Kingdom of Loathing though, when they are obviously not MMORPGs, but most sources call it one.
If we have concensus, let's follow WP:IAR (ignoring WP:V O_O ) and use our own criteria. Marasmusine 15:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Alternatively, we can cobble together some external definitions such as [2] (which closely matches what you've listed), appending "Must have an article with reliable sources and an assertion of notability." Marasmusine 15:52, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

If a game has all the qualities of a MMORPG, but it's FPS, why should that automatically disqualify it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.248.148.179 (talk) 23:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Add it to the list if multiple reliable sources describe it as a MMORPG, and it has a Wikipedia article. Marasmusine (talk) 06:27, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
What are you calling the qualities of an MMORPG? If it is not a CRPG, it doesn't possess all the qualities of an MMORPG. Just because it resembles something, or advertises itself as, doesn't mean it is.--ZayZayEM (talk) 16:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] World War 2 Online

I believe this game qualifies, but it has been removed several times, so I'm hoping to add discussion on the point. Why shouldn't the game qualify:

1) It's massive - with thousands of players in a single game world, and without server instances.

2) It's online - internet based.

3) It's an RPG:

3a) Players create one of several personals (avatars, if you will), which can join squads, and basically have their own identity.

3b) Many players even participate in traditional roleplay - creating and roleplaying a unique identity for their character, immitating and exercising WWII era tactics and language.

3c) Player gain rank with every kill or objective, gaining levels, in the process being granted additional capabilities and responsibilities. Experience is tracked with experience points and points required for the next level.

True, the game is an FPS, but I don't see that the first-person nature should disqualify the game from the list. It is very much an MMORPG to many of its players. I don't see that a game's setting in a world war 2 timeframe, or the fact one holds a gun rather than a sword has much to do with the category.

64.174.34.250 00:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

  • It is not identified as a Computer role-playing game (characteristic based system, quest/task based experience gain - not necessarily actual roleplay). It is identified very strongly as a MMOFPS Please elaborate further, avoid WP:OR to suggest this point. Pleas note several non-fantasy based MMORPGs are included such as Auto Assault and City of Villains, as well as unreleased historically based Frontier 1859--ZayZayEM 01:38, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree, no original research is very important. Here are just a few external references which describe WWIIOL as an MMORPG. There are many!
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setView/news/gameID/34/showArticle/6284
http://play.tm/wire/cluster/1499826
http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=2781
http://vnboards.ign.com/mmorpg_player_reviews/b22600/59743341/p2/
I suspect you aren't very familiar with the game, so to address your concerns more individually, I think you are incorrect on both points:
The game does have quest/task based experience gain. Characters are rewarded different amounts of points depending on what objectives are met. For instance, if you destroy an enemy bridge, you get more points than say killing an enemy infantry. Or, if you kill an enemy tank as an infantryman, you get more points than destroying an enemy tank with another tank. These points help to gain levels (rank), which give your characters more capabilities in the game.
I agree that World War II Online's characteristic based system is very limited (only health states, endurance, and level (rank)), but these are natural for an RPG where "death" is immediate. However, MMORPG is genre, and genres are not absolute. Read the page on genre, "In all art forms, genres are vague categories with no fixed boundaries". World War II Online fits most of the characteristics listed on the Computer role-playing game page. And that is why so many consider it an MMORPG. The fact that it is weaker in one category than other games is irrelevant.
64.174.34.250 17:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree that we should describe it as an MMORPG if enough reliable, independent references describe it as one. I'm not conviced about the reliablility of some of the links you provided, but there are plenty of more formal reviews that describe it as a MMORPG (gamezone for example). Mmorpg.com place the game as both an MMORPG and a "massively multiplayer combat simulation"!. We have to be careful of the kind of clumsy labelling that calls games like Kingdom of Loathing an MMORPG though. Marasmusine 20:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


One more point I want clarified:

  • Is it a persitent world? Does it progress outside of individual player interactions? That is, can player actions have an affect greater then their immediate surrounds (such as faction zone control)?--ZayZayEM 05:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, for instance, buildings can be damaged and are repaired slowly over time. Similarly, bridges can be destroyed, and rebuilt by the players. Also, cities and firebases can be captured by opposing sides. As such, front lines are formed and move slowly over time across the map. Factories can be bombed to slow the opposing sides research and development. That should give you a sample. 64.174.34.254 15:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

How persistent? This sounds like an RTS.--ZayZayEM 16:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Looks like it is a persistant world (IGN), however it seems to be more commonly described as a MMOFPS (MMORPG.Com say "WWIIOL utilizes a military rank system of player leadership which adds a RPG element to this MMOFPS") Since it also has a few 'MMORPG' descriptors in the media, I say we give the benefit of the doubt. Marasmusine 18:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I think it has enough gaming media sources to give it benefit of the doubt. I really don't like the idea of using mainstream media sources, as MMORPG seems to have been adopted as an innapropriate umbrella term for any MMO; as ultimately any MMO will involve a persistent world + avatar (which allows roleplay, but necessarily RPG).--ZayZayEM 03:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by how persistent, ZayZayEM. Exactly what are you trying to understand?
If you're wondering how persistent the changes are in terms of time, the answer is until the changes are undone by another users actions.
If you're wondering how persistent the changes are, in terms of server failures, the answer is that the world state persists through server outages, such as when the servers are brought down to patch.
I'm not sure where you're going with the RTS comment. I suppose you could see it as having elements of RTS, yes, although I don't generally hear people referring to the game as an RTS. I suppose it is more proper to say it is an MMORPG with RTS gameplay elements. 64.174.34.252 06:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
That's exactly the information I wanted. It sounds like it might make it until this list gets it's well deserved clean up. It is firstly a MMOFPS, with RPG elements. However, from my personal view, without a detailed RPG-style characteristics system or chance/attribute-based combat, its classification as a CRPG is rather shakey.--ZayZayEM 07:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
It has been an introducing discussion for me, and I'll participate when this cleanup occurs. I certainly understand your desire to clearly define the genre, but I can't help but be concerned that your definition is overly restrictive and not conforming to common use of the term. I again stress that you need to keep in mind you are listing entries to a genre, not entries to a categorization. Where a categorization is precise and strictly defined, a genre is a reflection of popular culture, and is defined as such. As soon as you try to define popular culture's use of a word, you'll find yourself wrong. In my mind, you can only rely on an assortment of materials to confirm that any game has been called an MMORPG in a variety of popular media. It is simply incorrect to tell the rest of the world that they are using the term incorrectly. That's not what genres are about. Similarly, you cannot say that a game fits in only one genre. A game can just as easily fit into both the MMOFPS and MMORPG genres as a Claude Monet painting can fit into both the impressionist and plein-air genres.
I also love the precision of clear definition, but you must understand that popular culture and art are imprecise by nature. 64.174.34.250 23:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I'd also disagree on your assessment of the term genre and category in these senses. I wouldn't call "RPG" a genre in your definition, to me it's like calling a oil canvas a watercolour - but yes there is certain haziness when a damn artist decides to use oil and watercolours on canvas. Bastard artists.--ZayZayEM 00:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Resurfacing

Can I point out our Massively multiplayer online first-person shooter article introduces a synomous term MMOFPSRPG {massively multiplayer online first-person role-playing shooter game}. I'd really like to remove this article from the list. "role-playing" in computer games is not a referencing to character-gaming (you play a "role" of a superhero plumber in Mario Bros.). It is a specific genre CRPG that is based on pen-paper RPG dynamics.

If you can't transform the computer game into a viable pen-paper game, it shouldn't be an MMORPG. MMORPG are characterised by grinding skill-less play. If it requires actual skill (eg. personal ability to aim a gun/sword, rather than avatar's in-game attributes), it has non-CRPG elements. Or conversely if it relies on avatar's in-game skill or character attributes to accomplish tasks rather than user ability, it has CRPG elements.--ZayZayEM (talk) 04:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

  • This is what allows Shot-Online to be classed as MMORPG, as characters have attributes that offset actual player skill.--ZayZayEM (talk) 04:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OGPlanet Games

Can somebody please start and article on the games Rumble Fighter, Albatross 18, and BB Tanks. I play all three, but I stink at making articles lol. Oh and if you can't can you tell me the reason why. Thx Tythesly 12:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Because they aren't notable? Marasmusine 13:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I had a hard time understanding that notable thing. Does it just mean it isn't popular enough? Tythesly 14:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Something is (usually) notable if it has had coverage from an independent, reliable source. In the case of video games, this will usually be a review from a gaming magazine or from a website with editorial control. It isn't related to popularity (although if something is popular, that increases its chance of being covered by the gaming press.) Marasmusine 17:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok then, I just noticed this. Why is Albatross 18 have an article, but Rumble Fighter and BB Tanks dont? Tythesly 14:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Because no-one has started a Rumble Fighter or BB Tanks article yet? And no, I don't think the Albatross 18 article sufficiently passes WP:N in its current state. Marasmusine 14:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] There is a fundamental flaw

There are technically dozens and dozens of MMORPGs on the Internet, with more possilbly being founded as we speak. However, the vast majority of these will never obtain very large numbers, and will be destinned to remain the netherworld of remote, ailing small online communities. In reality, only a handful of games have truely risen to the top. These include World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, Runscape, and a few others. Other MMORPGs, while not nearly as big as the previous three, have gained a small amount of attention. These could include Toontown, Clube Penguin, Everquest, and Eve online. (Mabye) Beyond this point, the vast majority of MMORPGs, however, will most likely never grow to large sizes and will die with a whimper. There are too many to list on this post. My point is, should we even bother including the smaller ones? Fusion7 18:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

"ailing small online communities", please not MMO stands for Massive multiplayer online.
Also Toontown and Clube Penguin are not MMORPGs, they are virtual communities.
Any genuine MMORPG that is notable enough to have an article in wikipedia should be included in this list.--ZayZayEM 03:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I lurve this article

Zelda is not an RPG.

I like the comments.

It counters the "but ur playing a ROLE" argument with "is Mario Bros an RPG then". Any video game puts you in a role. An RPG mimics pen and paper RPGs in a computer game format. Experience, levels, avatars and chance rolls.--ZayZayEM 02:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Incorrect addition

I just noticed Guild Wars is in the list, wich is incorrect even by your own standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.61.70.223 (talk) 11:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] tribalwars.net

I notice www.tribalwars.net is not added...I just got into the game and it's pretty good once you learn how to play

I also notice that www.outwar.com isn't on the list, but it's stretching the term to call it a MMORPG :-) 87.194.44.145 (talk) 22:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Both of those sound familiar, I think they have been on this list before (a couple of times), but were removed because they weren't notable. Maybe if they are popular enough they will get some media coverage. Marasmusine (talk) 22:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] where are these classical mmorpgs ?

diablo2 , from blizzard

ultima online , from Origin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.204.151.164 (talk) 15:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Ultima Online was a glaring omission; added it. Diablo 2 isn't massively multiplayer. Marasmusine (talk) 15:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Angels Online

Angels Online - an angel-themed MMORPG with fantasy setting is not yet included in this article. 195.16.50.112 (talk) 07:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Face of Mankind

This MMORPG is currently 'on hold' and will be re-released as Face of Mankind: Rebirth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.152.248 (talk) 17:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merge

That's an interesting one. I didn't even know about Comparison of massively multiplayer online role-playing games. At the moment List of massively multiplayer online role-playing games has no useful annotation and is in alphabetical order, so is just duplicating the category. The comparative list is a bit harder to read for navigation purposes but in the end is the better list. I propose using the page name and lead text from this list, and merge in the table from the comparative list. Marasmusine (talk) 20:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adding a link, and or mention of MMORPG-X.COM/MMORPGTOP100 in the External Links section

Dear Editors,

May I mention to put www.mmorpg-x.com/mmorpgtop100 link to the external links category, since it is one of the most popular mmorpg toplist on the net.

Thanks, Admin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ggot (talk • contribs) 13:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Updates

Aion is in closed beta and has a sign up page. Conan is no longer beta and has been released. Sony Online Ent. MMO Planetside is not listed though is an MMO. Acerayl 8:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] age of conan has been released, so I think it's "in production" tag should be removed. thanks guys.

age of conan has been released, so I think it's "in production" tag should be removed. thanks guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by El Amo (talk • contribs) 06:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)