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Puzzle Pirates should not be in the Browser category, as it is usable with no browser whatsoever, but I am unsure what other category it could go into.

Galaxylife has been cancaled so I took it off

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[edit] Americas Army an MMO?

Is this right? I looked in the article and it just comes across as your typical FPS shooter with standard online multiplay, not a Massively Multiplayer Online FPS. DarkSaber2k 10:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Historical/Defunct Games

Games come and go -- and those of particular note (even if not significant enough to merit their own article) need to be listed somewhere, perhaps with a brief, one-line description. Obviously "Everquest" will have its own article years and years into the future, but even minor games that were innovative, particularly good, particularly bad, etc deserve at least some remembrance.

I propose the creation of either a Historical / Defunct games article (probably best) or alternatively, a section in the existing article -- This suggestion applies to MMOG, MMORPG, etc.

Perhaps MMOG (defunct), etc as as general disambiguity naming convention.

Other comments? EggplantWizard 20:29, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea. We should start with a section in the existing article and then split it when the list starts to overwhelm the rest of the article (which probably wouldn't take long, considering how many games have been created over the years). Notability is important, though, so I'd only suggest this for games which have had a solid fanbase (a minimum of, perhaps, 5,000 active users at a game's peak), otherwise the article would be way too long. --Josh1billion 08:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Genre in the list.

One area missing in the MMO List.

MMO SPORTS GAMES

There are a number of existing MMO sports games and several presently in Beta or Development. I would supply a list of Suggestions but as I work in the industry I don't want to risk breaking the rules about COI.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Empire Of Sports (talk • contribs) 17:56, 16 July 2007

I've added the section, and the only two examples that I know of. --McGeddon 18:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the unsigned, this is still a bit new to me :). There is also Pangya which is listed on Wiki already and has been around for a few years. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Empire Of Sports (talk • contribs) 15:08, 18 July 2007.

Added.--McGeddon 15:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soldat?

I would definately not consider Soldat an mmog. I move for it to be removed.

[edit] Advert?

I noticed somebody put The Tempest Project in almost all the categories with an outside link. Could somebody please put it into one category - I haven't played it so I don't know.~~Lazyguythewerewolf . Rawr. 09:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

If it's an external link, it's spam - this page is a list of MMOGs notable enough to have Wikipedia articles written about them. I've removed it entirely. --McGeddon 09:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red Links?

Is someone making pages on them? oh, and i added DragonFable and MechQuest to the list of browser games. I am making a page for MechQuest. Kcollis (talk) 15:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GunZ: The Duel?

GunZ is a third-person shooter, not a first-person. I'd say we should change the "First-person shooters" to "Shooting games" or something along those lines. Cloudbreath9 (talk)

[edit] Removal of Red links?

Is someone doing this? I would do it but I'm not if they are meant to be there --Kiwi 05:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] notability

hi. why can't entries be kept on items which don't have their own articles? Often, it's precisely because an item doesn't have its own article, that it is added to a list article, in order to provide basic details and information. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 16:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

According to WP:SAL, each entry on a list should have its own Wikipedia article or it should be reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future. If a topic is not notable enough to have an article that would survive an AFD, it shouldn't be on a list either. This is the only thing that keeps list articles from turning into spam linkfarms. - MrOllie (talk) 16:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate your reply. Here's a quote from Wikipedia:SAL#Lead_and_selection_criteria:
When deciding what to include on a list, ask yourself:
If this person/thing/etc., wasn't an X, would it reduce their fame or significance?
Would I expect to see this person or thing on a list of X?
Is this person or thing a canonical example of some facet of X?
Ideally each entry on a list should have its own Wikipedia article but this is not required if it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future. The one exception is for list articles that are created explicitly because the listed items do not warrant independent articles: an example of this is List of minor characters in Dilbert.
The items which i tried to add meet this test; in fact, they meet it for an extremely simple and specific reason which i can easily submit to you all here. namely they are an example of a rare type of free MMOG, in that they are both browser-based, and provide full 3d rendering. for this reason, i feel that they really need to be on this list. I disagree with the articles-only policy, and am not sure why it is used here, and am not sure how it benefits us, Wikipedia or this article. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 16:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
There's also the issue that the wikilinks you put in go to articles on separate topics that happen to have the same name. If these are notable games, I'd recommend writing the articles first and coming back and inserting links to the disambiguated article names in lists and such later. - MrOllie (talk) 16:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I accept your last point, but I still stand by my main point; namely, that items even without their own entries should be allowed to be included in these lists. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)