Talk:List of masses by Joseph Haydn

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Whatever happened to H 22/2? --UrbanGrill 18:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

• This was added at some point. Marking this as answered to keep editors from checking. DavidRF (talk) 02:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Last six masses

Its mentioned in the text that 7-12 form a group. Isn't it 9-14? The last six? Is there some confusion with ordinal and Hoboken numbering? DavidRF (talk) 02:03, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello David, I don't really know the basis of Haydn mass-numbering, but no matter what system we use, the text surely should agree with the numbers. So I changed 7-12 to 9-14, as you suggested. Opus33 (talk) 16:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hoboken Catalog vs. numbering

Is there some page that explains why (H. 22/9) is Mass No. 10, while (H. 22/10) is Mass No. 9? Or is that a mistake? --tessc (talk) 23:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

• Hoboken got the chronological order wrong. Heligmesse did premiere before Paukenmesse. The Hoboken number is citable and can't be changed. Chronological mistakes are common in music catalogues. Here, the "ordinal numbering" appears to be attempting to fix that. To tell you the truth, I don't know who came up with the ordinal numberings. Are they just chronologic? They don't appear to be commonly used. DavidRF (talk) 20:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • OK. Ordinal numbers are from New Grove. They don't line up with Hoboken in a couple of cases because Hoboken was off on the chronology. I'll add a citation. DavidRF (talk) 14:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. The Missa in tempore belli page had the wrong ordinal (matching the Hoboken instead of being No. 10) and I didn't know why. I've corrected that and copied the same ref you added here to that page. --tessc (talk) 17:58, 11 March 2008 (UTC)