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[edit] Dead links (like this one)

Please do not add these to this list, it is a list of articles that already exist, write the article then add the link by all means, but red links are not helpful as it is difficult if not impossible to asses their notability. Thanks --Nate1481(t/c)

[edit] America

I don't much like all the South American and Caribbean martial arts being lumped under "American martial arts". It's too chauvinistic. We should separate by continent, North America, South America and the Caribbean. --Mista-X 22:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

It isn't nationalistic at all. The U.S. laying claim to the term American when it applies to any country in the Americas is the problem. But including all under the term actually is the opposite of chauvinsim, as it acknowledges the neutral, correct application of the term. VanTucky (talk) 22:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Agreed then. --Mista-X 04:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Americans agreeing on things, isnt the world so much better now... 69.245.80.218 (talk) 03:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I note that a native American form of martial arts is not listed, that of "Chulukua" (pronounced Choo-La'-Ka). See http://www.ten-no-kishi.com/aifaa.htm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hendee (talk • contribs) 15:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NOW!

time to make comparison of martial arts, somebody! -anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.166.235.13 (talk) 08:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:No original research. --Bradeos Graphon 15:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
That almost always devolves into "my style is better than your style" debates anyway... usually followed by agreements to test matches that never end up happening. Let's please keep any "comparison of martial arts" topics OFF of Wikipedia. Simonm223 (talk) 16:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I did a bit of a Judo/BJJ comparison in the BJJ article without any problems. But if you disagree with what I wrote, then I challenge you to a duel with a sharpened biro to settle the issue! (P.S. I'm sure that User talk:58.166.235.13's suggestion was tongue-in-cheek!) --David from Downunder (talk) 07:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
As long as you maintained npov I have no issue with the topic. However it's very hard to maintain npov with comparisson. Simonm223 (talk) 13:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shoot Wrestling

Shoot wrestling is listed as an American martial art, I'm confused didn't it originate in Japan? So, why is it listed as an American martial art? --Godaiger —Preceding comment was added at 20:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Egypt

Hi. I moved egypt to Africa, because the page seemed to be organized geographically and not geopolitically. Geopolitically, YES, Egypt is certainly a Middle Eastern country. Geographically, the country is and always has been in AFRICA. Another reason Egypt should be in the African section is that the form of fighting originates among the ancient Egyptians. The Ancient Egyptians were definately Africans not Middle Easterners. We can all debate until our fingers bleed on what kind of African (Berber, Nilotic, etc), but they were Africans and scholars generally agree the civilization was homegrown and not born of some outside migration. Since the ancient Egyptians were african, and the martial art in question originates among them, ---It should be regarded as an African martial art and not a Middle Eastern or Central Asian (where are we getting central asian, btw?) fighting style. Let me know what u think, and thnx for bringing this to the discussion board. CHEERS :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4shizzal (talk • contribs) 00:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, I do not doubt that modern Egypt is physically or geographically in Africa(minus the Sinai, which is physically in Asia), and my argument is not about what the Egyptians currently are or were in the past in any sense, nor would I feel I am an expert to discuss such a matter. Rather, this article has a section for the Middle East(or Near East, if you will), and the very phrase the "Middle East" is itself not very geographically descriptive in nature. As it is, the "Middle East" can span three continents depending on how the term is defined. My concern is that the list actually has a section on the Middle East, and thus uses modern geopolitical terminology to define it. To exclude Egypt from the Middle East is akin to excluding the Asiatic Middle Eastern countries as well, and relocating them to Asia. In all honesty, I would prefer that, but I have no doubt that it would be quickly reverted by editors with numerous sources. - On a side not, I have actually witnessed a parade where Egyptian "Stick Fighting" was performed. It was done in a ritual dance performance fashion, and I was told that it had been a part of Egyptian culture for thousands of years. Very interesting to watch. As far as Central Asia is concerned, and the reason I added it a little while ago, has to do with both the nature and history of Martial Art styles in that region, and what is called the Middle East in modern terms. By this I mean the relations between the Central Asia "Stans", Persia and modern Iran, Mongolia, the Caucasus region, Turkey, and even modern day Russia(and even styles from Northern India). So, as it is, lumping the Middle East and Central Asia into one section is as much a result of modern misconceptions as it is of convenience. Atari400 02:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Very valid points. Now that I think of it, I do believe on the CIA World Factbook that Egypt is put in the Middle Eastern section. I guess my only remaining concern is "Where does the Middle East end". Would that include Libya and Algeria, too? But ur absolutely right when u say that the Middle East is not very well defined. I guess the best thing to do is to decide if we are going to classify these martial arts by the nation in which they are practiced (Karate's gonna be a doesey by the way since its so popular) or by its country of origin. I'm open to suggestions and will not make any effort to put Egypt back in the African section after this. I just think that as a practical matter, it would be easier to locate that fighting style (which I admit I didn't know even existed until I found this page) by classifying it in the African section. It's cool u got to see it performed firsthand. I bet the style HAS adopted many near-eastern fighting techniques since the 7th century, but its cool that it still exists at all.Scott Free 19:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, you made some excellent points as well, and very I much agree with Egypt's placement in the African section of the list, since it is logical. It is an African nation, many times "lumped" to a very imprecise term called the "Middle East", and with modern linguistic, cultural, and economic ties in both Africa, as well as nearby Asia. I have in fact left it in both the African and Middle Eastern section of the article for now, since a reader might very well look into either section looking for Egypt's listing. By all means, you might want to remove Egypt from the Middle East and Central Asia section, since a double listing does appear rather unnecessary. On a side note, perhaps a West Asia or Southwest Asia section or subsection instead of the Middle East might actually make more sense? Just some ideas to kick around, and that I might try out. Atari400 03:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and I saw the "Stick Fighting" performance in 1995 on a trip to Egypt. It was a presentation set up for Western tourists, but still had a very authentic look to it all. I was able to observe the dance performance from a close distance, and the movements were clearly combat related "moves", similar to kata seen in Japanese martial arts. The movements were done as a paraded dance by several performers for the benefit of the tourists, but it was very obviously part of an organized martial art style. It was also rather different from anything I have seen in either Turkey or Iran, which led me to believe the art was locally indigenous to Egypt and Northeast Africa. The question I have is, are there similar styles in the Sudan or the Horn of Africa, as well as other Northern African nations? I would guess that there are similar styles, but I would still like someone knowledgeable to write about on Wikipedia at some point. Atari400 03:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
That was a great idea putting them in both. Thnx for taking care of that. I'll leave it be cuz the solution is very practical (IMO) I read on the page about Egyptian Stick fighting that the weapon they used is similar to one used in Kenya. Make sure to check that out :) HOLLAScott Free 03:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Will do! Atari400 16:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal: Small Descriptions?

Maybe next to each style could be a brief sentence or two about the style? There are alot of styles with names that give no hint of well, their style. Opinions? --Ekoi (talk) 05:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)