Talk:List of last occurrences

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 14 August 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.


If some one think there is still a russian Solder of Word War I please prove ist and change without a prove. Boris Klovsky, died 1 June 2004 is listed as the last russian WWI-Solder on the page of WWI-Veterans, that died in 2004. 08.01.2007


What do you think, chronological order, or put them in some sort of cladistic order? I think this is a good almanac type article, and there are lots of web sources and current events to draw from. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 00:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

There's obviously not much here at the moment, but with the right sources I think this article could be improved considerably.--HisSpaceResearch 20:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
This seems somewhat broad. Hopefully the article can be split eventually into specific kinds of last events. Just Heditor review 01:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Babe Ruth

Babe Ruth was a great ballplayer and had an extremely notable career, but his last game is not notable in the same way as the other "lasts." Matchups 04:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] US Constitution Article 2

The constitution says: "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President..." When did the last person die who was eligible based on having been a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution (September 17, 1787)? The best I can find here is Martin W. Bates, who died on January 1, 1869, but surely one can do better. Matchups 04:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criteria

I think this is a very interesting World Almanac type article, but there has to be some monitoring of how far we go in adding things. I am concerned about how many entries of minor significance there can be when it includes "2007 Prince Wilhelm Karl of Prussia, the last living grandchild of German Kaiser Wilhelm II, died at age 85 on April 9, 2007." Why not then last child, last great grandchild, last great-great-grandchild of Henry the Eighth, etc. Per WP:BOLD I have deleted that entry. I suggest only including the last member of some well defined and extremely notable group. I am not aware that grandchildren of nobility are a particularly interesting group. Edison 23:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, of course Henry VIII didn't have any (legitimate) grandchildren, but I agree that these should only be included if, say, they are the last in a specific notable house/lineage. E.g. the passing of Henry VIII's youngest daughter, Elizabeth I in 1603 marked the end of the Tudor dynasty, which perhaps is worthy of mention. Richard B 16:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Last Deaths and Criteria

Why is the majority of this list a list of deaths? It seems that this is not so much a list of notable last events, but a list of the deaths of the last survivors of events. A list of deaths of people who are the last in a category is indeed a trivial intersection, yet it makes up the bulk of the list. Still, a handful of these events are notable, and I think there's a good deal of potential for expansion, so I'm going to propose two things: (1), split the deaths section of the article (the majority) into a separate article titled List of notable last people, and (2) establish a strict criteria for this article.

I think that the criteria (and this is just my interpretation) for this article should follow something like this:

(1) The subject of the event must be notable and historically significant There’s no sense in including the last of something that is entirely insignificant.

(2) The event itself must be notable and historically significant For example, Something like the last book ever printed using the Gutenberg printing press (if we even know what that is) is not notable, because the book itself as well as the event of it’s printing are not notable.

(3) The fact that it is the last of an event must be notable and historically significant The final gladiator contest is significant because of the ban on gladiator contests that followed. If the fact that the event is final is not of reasonable significance or interest, there's no sense in including it.

(4) The fact that the event is final can not be temporary The term “last” is a superlative, so we should only include something in this list if we’re ’’absolutely sure’’ that it’s the final event.

I still think that "Last person to walk on the moon, Apollo 17 astronaut Eugene Cernan, December 17, 1972." is significant, despite it being temporary. I cant think of any other exemptions. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 05:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I think this is reasonable enough, eh? Calgary 02:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is! Thanks for putting it as clear as you did. Btw, I just put the last king of Fryslan here on the articles mainspace, he's known as Pier Gerlofs Donia and his death marked the end of Frisian monarchy, 500 years ago. It makes an excellent "last event", don't you agree? -The Bold Guy- (talk) 16:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lasts

  • For instance every TV show has a last episode, how do we determine whats the most significant? I am assuming the last episode of the longest running TV show would be significant, but no others. Usually the media determines whats significant, not Wikipedians. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 05:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
  • For instance every Royal Dynasty has a last enthroned monarch, but its only significant if monarchy for that country ends, or if the genetic line from a past monarch ends. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 05:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wording

Should all entries start with "Last of the Mohicans, John Doe died" or with "John Doe, last of the Mohicans died". --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 06:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page Title

I think what may prevent deletion of information is simply a reformatting of what it is supposed to be. it should be reformatted as a list of "Last Survivors of Historical Events." The last king of Afghanistan may go on a list somewhere but what is his historical signifigance unless there should be a seperate list of "final Monarchs"

Your thouths?